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Well Ferguson is getting a little out of hand....
DrafterX Offline
#251 Posted:
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tell the lies long enough and.... Think
ZRX1200 Offline
#252 Posted:
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Put em in an email and DrafterX will post it here.. .
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Put em in an email and DrafterX will post it here.. .



ya, usually it's just to stir the pot.... but this is a little different... I think there's video out there of how it went down that's being hidden... if it shows the cop did shoot him with his hands up then fry the cop.. Mellow
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After he beat the shīt outta the cop and the "eye witnesses" lied?
ZRX1200 Offline
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I say we fry your puppy.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
After he beat the shīt outta the cop and the "eye witnesses" lied?



no, some how we need to find the video.. I don't think the cop had someonne beat him after the fact...
teedubbya Offline
#257 Posted:
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Back when I was in nam we used to fake **** like this all the time.
DrafterX Offline
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did you know Forrest Forrest Gump..?? Huh
ZRX1200 Offline
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What cam, dash cam faces foward......

You don't think a civilian video would have willingly just given over? And with nobody saying "hey I had it on video"

Poopycock
teedubbya Offline
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Didn't know Forrest but accidentally killed some dude named bubba. There was no film so we lied about it and stuff.
DrafterX Offline
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I think you may have misunderstood me.... if there was video of the cop shooting him with his hands up it would be out there by now... it obviously isn't out there... all I was saying is if it did then maybe the cop should go down..
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poor Bubba... Sad
teedubbya Offline
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Meh. He seemed sort of dumb anyway.
teedubbya Offline
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Everyone thought he was nice and gentle and stuff but we had film of him serving folks bad shrimp and stuff.
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teedubbya wrote:
Meh. He seemed sort of dumb anyway.



He had a dream.... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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He was a dolt. Him and that little skinny white dude were always gettin busy in their sleeping bag and stuff. It was creepy.
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OhMyGod
teedubbya Offline
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Yea the skinny one kept yelling "I found the shrimp bubba I found the shrimp." sick.
DrafterX Offline
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Bubba had a little one..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
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I'm guessing so unless the skinny guy was in the sleeping bag with bubba discovering himself.
teedubbya Offline
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They both seemed "special"
DrMaddVibe Offline
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George Zimmerman should move there!
itsawaldo Offline
#273 Posted:
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You think?

Chicago paper says where's the outrage?
14 yo shot four times in the chest the other night. Called it an execution.
Since it's B/B Jackson and Sharpton are not here, why not?
HockeyDad Offline
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In a black on black shooting, there is not going to be any money to shakedown out of a guilt ridden population.
teedubbya Offline
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God that's old. If they find the killer it's murder. Here we know who the killer is and it's a person of authority.

I've already said we don't know what happened but that straw man don't hunt. It's diversionary. Or something like that and stuff.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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Finally, a well-written, unbiased piece on this subject...

http://spectator.org/articles/60292/all-want-good-five-cent-cigar


Mchael Brown lost his life after pursuing his unrestrained, but not unrequited, love for Swisher Sweets, which he heisted from a Ferguson, Missouri, shopkeeper without even the pretense of subterfuge. I despise his by-any-means-necessary passion for smoking Swishers. But who can gainsay the tobacco martyr’s tastes? Like Ulysses S. Grant, he died for the love of cigars.

Often stale, always sweet, Swishers smoke as the Cadillac of cheap cigars. Before such tobacco promotions became outlawed, I eagerly exchanged multiple proofs of purchase seals for a black T-shirt—worn proudly—with a red Swisher insignia and an uplifting message conveyed in smoky lettering: “Roll out the sweet times.” Say what you will of the decedent’s ethics. Michael Brown knew stogies. He could have stolen Dutch Masters or Phillies. He swiped Swishers. He chose right after choosing wrong.


As far as thieves go, Brown occupies the next-to-lowest rung on the ladder of larceny, right above the cowardly-in-the-crowd looters inspired by him. There is something basely admirable about the safe cracker, the swindler, and the museum burglar. They work hard for your money.

Brown’s brazen theft of the cigar box lazily relied on brawn but not brains. Surely the thieves who use guts, smarts, and strategy to bag their ill-gotten gains look down upon such bully burglars as low-to-no-skilled workers making a bad name worse for modern-day ****ins, Tigg Montagues, and even Montague Tiggs.

But young Mr. Brown, and certainly old Mr. ****in, acted as mere two-bit criminals, especially in comparison to America’s greatest serial plunderer. Most of the profit from a box of Swisher Sweets doesn’t go to the company that manufactures them or the store owner who sells them. The bulk of profit goes to the government that aggressively taxes them. That’s quite a racket.

President Obama signed the largest tobacco tax increase in history in one of his first acts in office. The feds took about a nickel per cigar when the president took his oath. They now take 52.75 percent of the sale up to $402 per 1,000 cigars. “More lower-income people than higher-income people will quit,” Eric Lindblom of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids paternalistically reasoned to USA Today in 2009. Instead of a tobacco-free kid, Michael Brown became a free-tobacco kid.

Do-gooders hoped to tax tobacco out of existence, at least for denizens of “lower-income” neighborhoods — like Michael Brown. Instead, they incentivized crime. It’s telling that the two instances of alleged police overreach provoking the most national outrage this summer involved neither drugs nor guns but tobacco. In New York City, where state and city taxes total $5.85 per pack of cigarettes, cops manhandled “loosie” salesman Eric Garner to his death last month. In Missouri, where the “gentle giant” Michael Brown’s pattern of violently disobeying authority led more directly to his demise, cheap cigars made expensive by government edict may have acted as a catalyst for the tragedy.

Perhaps Michael Brown would have lifted the cigars had they been priced at anything above free. And perhaps the one-man tax revolt didn’t view himself in the spirit of the Boston Tea Partiers when he snatched the stogies. Surely the legislators passing the astronomical spike in cigar taxes in 2009 saw themselves as liberators rather than oppressors of poor people like Michael Brown. But if the looters inspired by a dead teen can attach lofty political motives to their acts of petty theft and vandalism, then perhaps one can do the same for Michael Brown.

Unfortunately, whether one discusses the politicians imposing draconian tobacco taxes or the ransackers pillaging Ferguson businesses, the conversation demands a granting of noble motives to malefactors. Can’t I play along with Mr. Brown?

Even in Missouri, which enforces the lowest state tobacco taxes in the nation, cigar aficionados can’t escape the tax man. Before Michael Brown rebelled against the police, before he disobeyed the shopkeeper, before he defied the eighth (seventh for Catholics) commandment, he revolted against the tax man. A dead kid, looted stores, a torn community—all for the want of a good five-cent cigar.
victor809 Offline
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Heheh... The root of the problem. :)
teedubbya Offline
#278 Posted:
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The bundy brigade should be lineing up next to the protestors.
HockeyDad Offline
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Al Bundy!
ZRX1200 Offline
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Why? The Black Panthers grazing?
Cigar2014 Offline
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I havent seen it written or heard it said..but you do know what they really use those "cheap cigars" for?.
jetblasted Offline
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Cigar2014 wrote:
you do know what they really use those "cheap cigars" for?.


Yes
teedubbya Offline
#283 Posted:
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They get rebranded as fake opus x?
jetblasted Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
They get rebranded as fake opus x?

No
victor809 Offline
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Cigar2014 wrote:
I havent seen it written or heard it said..but you do know what they really use those "cheap cigars" for?.


... I'm assuming you're trying to reference the practice of dissecting them, mixing pot in with some of the tobacco and re-rolling?

Does this fall under the whole "he was going to use pot so he definitely should have been shot" theory?

You realize you're trying to justify the shooting of an individual by the police, without a trial, right?

This retroactively trying to paint an individual as a criminal AFTER he's been shot by the police is a bull-sh#t tactic. It doesn't matter if his home is full of crack, or if he had a basement full of little girls he was selling to rich german pedophiles, or if he was in the midst of plotting the next attack on the twin towers memorial.

All that matters is what he was/or was not doing which caused the cop to shoot him. It isn't that hard to understand, and anyone trying to give you information outside of that 2 minutes of time is trying to sell you something.
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what it does is tells you something about his character... his friend also... would somebody with no respect for the law walkj down the middle of the street just to mess with traffic and a cop..?? I would say so... if this had been a couple college kids crossing the street trying to get to class the cop prolly wouldn't have even stopped them.... the kid was daring someone to f^ck with him... and guess what happened.... Mellow
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*BANG*
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More like

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victor809 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
...the kid was daring someone to f^ck with him... and guess what happened.... Mellow


Yeah. good thing there's always cops around to shoot kids when they're "daring someone to f^ck with them".

I remember being a dumb kid and daring people to f%ck with me too. Good thing I wasn't black I guess.

Seriously... this is going down a really really dumb direction.
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victor809 wrote:


Seriously... this is going down a really really dumb direction.



ya, I thought that too..... it's a shame they're hiding his juvenile records now.... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
ya, I thought that too..... it's a shame they're hiding his juvenile records now.... Mellow


getting even dumber by the post.
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victor809 wrote:


All that matters is what he was/or was not doing which caused the cop to shoot him. It isn't that hard to understand, and anyone trying to give you information outside of that 2 minutes of time is trying to sell you something.





Do you really believe this..?? you don't think his character or previous actions might have put him in that very spot at that time. What if he'd been gay walking down the middle of the street in Georgetown.... would they have just let him be..?? Huh

but because he's black and he was in Ferguson you automatically jump to the conclusion that the cop shot him cause he was black..... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
Do you really believe this..?? you don't think his character or previous actions might have put him in that very spot at that time. What if he'd been gay walking down the middle of the street in Georgetown.... would they have just let him be..?? Huh

but because he's black and he was in Ferguson you automatically jump to the conclusion that the cop shot him cause he was black..... Mellow


Bother to read Drafter.

I stated that what matters is what he was/was not doing that caused the cop to shoot him. Doesn't that sentence include the possibility that the cop shot him because he was going to shoot the cop? Doesn't that sentence include the possibility that the cop shot him because he was going to stab the cop? Doesn't that sentence include the possibility that the cop shot him because he was going to go beat the cop up? The sentence includes all possible activities immediately around the interactions between MB and the cop.

The point I'm making is that if someone is trying to tell you what MB was doing the day before, or was planning on doing after, that they're trying to lead you to a conclusion that is not necessarily supported by anything other than conjecture. This includes anyone trying to tell you he was on his way to bible study, or was coming back from feeding the homeless.

Nowhere in that post did I actually try to divine why the cop decided to shoot him.
You gotta learn to read a bit better drafter.
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Actually the only information that matters is did the officer believe his life was in danger and lethal force was the only way to save his life. Any other information is irrelevant.
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I read it... I just think that more than the prior two minutes has a hell of alot to do with the situation and the state of mind he was in... you're assuming he just all of a sudden got mad at the cop or the cop got mad at him... I'm betting the kid has hated cops for quite some time... otherwise he would have shown some respect and did what he was told.... Mellow
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gryphonms wrote:
Actually the only information that matters is did the officer believe his life was in danger and lethal force was the only way to save his life. Any other information is irrelevant.



why he may have thought his life was in danger and what led him to believe that is very relevant... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
I read it... I just think that more than the prior two minutes has a hell of alot to do with the situation and the state of mind he was in... you're assuming he just all of a sudden got mad at the cop or the cop got mad at him... I'm betting the kid has hated cops for quite some time... otherwise he would have shown some respect and did what he was told.... Mellow


Don't pretend to be dense.
A "state of mind" is only relevant as it pertains to the actions. If the kid was furious at cops, wanted them all dead and wanted to skull-f$ck their wives, but ACTED in the absolute most respectful manner possible, is it justified in shooting him suddenly?

Who cares whether the kid hated cops or not. HOW DO YOU KNOW he didn't show respect and do what he was told. You're making assumptions based on witness statements, NOT facts.

I'm making no assumptions that he "suddenly?" did anything. I'm telling you that when you allow people to influence your view of the situation by providing you with information that MAY NOT be relevant to the situation, then you're simply dancing like their puppet.

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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Finally, a well-written, unbiased piece on this subject...

http://spectator.org/articles/60292/all-want-good-five-cent-cigar


Mchael Brown lost his life after pursuing his unrestrained, but not unrequited, love for Swisher Sweets, which he heisted from a Ferguson, Missouri, shopkeeper without even the pretense of subterfuge. I despise his by-any-means-necessary passion for smoking Swishers. But who can gainsay the tobacco martyr’s tastes? Like Ulysses S. Grant, he died for the love of cigars.

Often stale, always sweet, Swishers smoke as the Cadillac of cheap cigars. Before such tobacco promotions became outlawed, I eagerly exchanged multiple proofs of purchase seals for a black T-shirt—worn proudly—with a red Swisher insignia and an uplifting message conveyed in smoky lettering: “Roll out the sweet times.” Say what you will of the decedent’s ethics. Michael Brown knew stogies. He could have stolen Dutch Masters or Phillies. He swiped Swishers. He chose right after choosing wrong.


As far as thieves go, Brown occupies the next-to-lowest rung on the ladder of larceny, right above the cowardly-in-the-crowd looters inspired by him. There is something basely admirable about the safe cracker, the swindler, and the museum burglar. They work hard for your money.

Brown’s brazen theft of the cigar box lazily relied on brawn but not brains. Surely the thieves who use guts, smarts, and strategy to bag their ill-gotten gains look down upon such bully burglars as low-to-no-skilled workers making a bad name worse for modern-day ****ins, Tigg Montagues, and even Montague Tiggs.

But young Mr. Brown, and certainly old Mr. ****in, acted as mere two-bit criminals, especially in comparison to America’s greatest serial plunderer. Most of the profit from a box of Swisher Sweets doesn’t go to the company that manufactures them or the store owner who sells them. The bulk of profit goes to the government that aggressively taxes them. That’s quite a racket.

President Obama signed the largest tobacco tax increase in history in one of his first acts in office. The feds took about a nickel per cigar when the president took his oath. They now take 52.75 percent of the sale up to $402 per 1,000 cigars. “More lower-income people than higher-income people will quit,” Eric Lindblom of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids paternalistically reasoned to USA Today in 2009. Instead of a tobacco-free kid, Michael Brown became a free-tobacco kid.

Do-gooders hoped to tax tobacco out of existence, at least for denizens of “lower-income” neighborhoods — like Michael Brown. Instead, they incentivized crime. It’s telling that the two instances of alleged police overreach provoking the most national outrage this summer involved neither drugs nor guns but tobacco. In New York City, where state and city taxes total $5.85 per pack of cigarettes, cops manhandled “loosie” salesman Eric Garner to his death last month. In Missouri, where the “gentle giant” Michael Brown’s pattern of violently disobeying authority led more directly to his demise, cheap cigars made expensive by government edict may have acted as a catalyst for the tragedy.

Perhaps Michael Brown would have lifted the cigars had they been priced at anything above free. And perhaps the one-man tax revolt didn’t view himself in the spirit of the Boston Tea Partiers when he snatched the stogies. Surely the legislators passing the astronomical spike in cigar taxes in 2009 saw themselves as liberators rather than oppressors of poor people like Michael Brown. But if the looters inspired by a dead teen can attach lofty political motives to their acts of petty theft and vandalism, then perhaps one can do the same for Michael Brown.

Unfortunately, whether one discusses the politicians imposing draconian tobacco taxes or the ransackers pillaging Ferguson businesses, the conversation demands a granting of noble motives to malefactors. Can’t I play along with Mr. Brown?

Even in Missouri, which enforces the lowest state tobacco taxes in the nation, cigar aficionados can’t escape the tax man. Before Michael Brown rebelled against the police, before he disobeyed the shopkeeper, before he defied the eighth (seventh for Catholics) commandment, he revolted against the tax man. A dead kid, looted stores, a torn community—all for the want of a good five-cent cigar.


Sooo, Michael Brown was a cigar smoking member of the Tea Party.
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victor809 wrote:
, then you're simply dancing like their puppet.




and who's puppet might you be..??? Think
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Gene363 wrote:

Sooo, Victor is a tea bagging member of the pole smoking Party.


uncalled for gene... uncalled for...
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