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Well Ferguson is getting a little out of hand....
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DrMaddVibe Offline
#101 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 3:34 PM EST
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Are they passing out hoodies, Skittles and Tea yet?
DrafterX Offline
#102 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 3:37 PM EST
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I don't think there's any left in that neighborhood...... they weren't exactly passed out either.... Mellow
Abrignac Offline
#103 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 3:50 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
http://crooksandliars.com/2014/08/ferguson-cops-busted-new-video-seems-show

Take this video with a grain of salt. I don't think it proves anything, but it does show some sort of transactional interaction between MB and the clerk. This would suggest the whole "MB performed a strong arm robbery" isn't necessarily the entire truth. The author of the article is too eager to jump to conclusions (just as everyone on the other side is)... someone put stuff back on the counter, not exactly what you'd do if you were just going to steal stuff. The fact that the store didn't report anything could just be that there wasn't much of value taken and they didn't want the hassle, but I haven't heard anything from the convenience store actually confirming there was a robbery (it was a woman customer who called it in because of an altercation between them).



This is nothing more than one's attempt to spin things their way. He makes the assumption that MB was paying for something but doesn't have enough money. Since their is no sound and the video is grainy his whole assumption is an unsubstantiated leap of faith at best. Regardless of who called the police.

But this passage from the article speaks volumes of his agenda.

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/08/ferguson-cops-busted-new-video-seems-show wrote:
The Ku Klux Klan and a growing group of angry white people are raising reward money for the murder of "typical low-IQ Negro" Michael Brown. Wilson is already on course to make tens of thousands of dollars for his deed.
victor809 Offline
#104 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 4:15 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
This is nothing more than one's attempt to spin things their way. He makes the assumption that MB was paying for something but doesn't have enough money. Since their is no sound and the video is grainy his whole assumption is an unsubstantiated leap of faith at best. Regardless of who called the police.



Like I said, a grain of salt. I don't believe either video tells the whole story. One side is saying that the first video (which just showed a large black man push a clerk out of the way while walking out with some goods) proves he robbed the place. The other video shows some sort of exchange (while claiming it proves he didn't rob the place).

1 - It doesn't matter if he robbed the place (even an unarmed robber doesn't normally require deadly force).
2 - We won't know if he actually robbed the place unless the clerk says "he took that sh#t without paying for it". The woman who called the police was in the bathroom during part of the exchange.
3 - It still doesn't matter.
teedubbya Offline
#105 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 4:47 PM EST
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What did the cop know and when did he know it?
Abrignac Offline
#106 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 4:49 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
What did the cop know and when did he know it?


What and when he knew about what?
teedubbya Offline
#107 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 4:54 PM EST
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Drafter and his puppy kicking.
teedubbya Offline
#108 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 4:55 PM EST
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Okay serious answer did the cop even know anything about the convenience store when he pulled over the two dudes? If he did the video is relevant to the shooting. If he didn't not so much.
victor809 Offline
#109 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 5:48 PM EST
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No... He wasn't aware of it.
Abrignac Offline
#110 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 6:14 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Okay serious answer did the cop even know anything about the convenience store when he pulled over the two dudes? If he did the video is relevant to the shooting. If he didn't not so much.


Regardless of whether he knew or not, there is no such thing as a ROUTINE STOP:

Consider doing some research. Here are some names to start with

Kevin Tonn
Rick Riggenbach
Patricia A. "Patty" Parete
Keith Lawrence
Michael Crain
Loran Baker
Elizabeth Butler
Cory Wride
teedubbya Offline
#111 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 7:52 PM EST
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Two different issues. I was only speaking to the relevance of the video, not how dangerous it is every time a cop stops someone.
DrafterX Offline
#112 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 8:02 PM EST
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anybody heard how many witnesses there were..?? Huh
jetblasted Offline
#113 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 8:08 PM EST
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The officer is at home nursing a fractured eye socket.

Not sure how 100% true this is, as I've only seen the story that originated from a blog.

Nor, why didn't the local PD release this info sooner. Sure seems to back up the fact the

officer got clobbered by the 6'5'' 300 lbs choir boy . . .
victor809 Offline
#114 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 8:20 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
anybody heard how many witnesses there were..?? Huh


every time one side or another releases information they seem to add 10 more witnesses. By the end of this it's gonna turn out it happened in front of 500 people... 250 seeing it one way and 250 seeing it another.
frankj1 Offline
#115 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 8:36 PM EST
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^^^
difficult as it is, I can wait for the truth. seems to me that would be more productive than rooting for either side.
jetblasted Offline
#116 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 8:40 PM EST
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And all 500 not telling the actual truth, and certainly not willing to testify . . .

It's already been proven the one "witness" was lying . . . So, go figure.
DrafterX Offline
#117 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 8:40 PM EST
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and this is what makes me wonder why there isn't more video evidence.... everyone carries a video camera these days... Mellow
jetblasted Offline
#118 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 8:41 PM EST
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LoL . . . and that witness said the cop tried to pull the 6'5'' 300 lb child through his car window . . . LoL

Yeah, right.
victor809 Offline
#119 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 8:41 PM EST
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jetblasted wrote:
And all 500 not telling the actual truth, and certainly not willing to testify . . .

It's already been proven the one "witness" was lying . . . So, go figure.


This is why I want video.

I can't believe that there isn't a security camera on an intersection anywhere that couldn't have captured at least some of this... Hell, I see cameras everywhere out here....
Abrignac Offline
#120 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 8:48 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
This is why I want video.

I can't believe that there isn't a security camera on an intersection anywhere that couldn't have captured at least some of this... Hell, I see cameras everywhere out here....


That's because you live in the nanny city of San Fran. Not all cities spy on their citizens 24x7.
DrafterX Offline
#121 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 8:49 PM EST
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Just saying if it went the other way there would be vidoe all over the nets... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#122 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 8:49 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
That's because you live in the nanny city of San Fran. Not all cities spy on their citizens 24x7.


And see what happens when they don't! :)
victor809 Offline
#123 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 8:51 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Just saying if it went the other way there would be vidoe all over the nets... Mellow


I doubt that. I'm sure no one was willing to be seen by the cops videotaping it. Have you seen the police's initial responses to reporters. That department seems to be a bit anti-video.
Abrignac Offline
#124 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 8:54 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
And see what happens when they don't! :)


Don't think for a minute that Little Johnny Moron cares if he's on camera.
DrafterX Offline
#125 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 8:55 PM EST
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it'd be out there... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#126 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 8:57 PM EST
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Frank - you are right. But that's not much fun.
jetblasted Offline
#127 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 9:06 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Don't think for a minute that Little Johnny Moron cares if he's on camera.


That just adds street cred . . . fog
Abrignac Offline
#128 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 9:09 PM EST
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You can’t handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it?
frankj1 Offline
#129 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 9:12 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
That's because you live in the nanny city of San Fran. Not all cities spy on their citizens 24x7.

yes they do.
Cigar2014 Offline
#130 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 9:23 PM EST
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may ask question here..im new here first time posting..my luck get such heated subject..not on ether side waiting on REAL facts before I make decsion..but me and family/friends are asking? what if they prove this was justified shooting?..will they keep protesting and looting?
teedubbya Offline
#131 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 9:23 PM EST
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All the video cameras in ferguson were stolen.
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#132 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 9:24 PM EST
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Cigar2014 wrote:
may ask question here..im new here first time posting..my luck get such heated subject..not on ether side waiting on REAL facts before I make decsion..but me and family/friends are asking? what if they prove this was justified shooting?..will they keep protesting and looting?


Get Him!!
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#133 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 9:25 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
All the video cameras in ferguson were stolen.


by the looters? so they have the footage?
Abrignac Offline
#134 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 9:27 PM EST
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Cigar2014 wrote:
may ask question here..im new here first time posting..my luck get such heated subject..not on ether side waiting on REAL facts before I make decsion..but me and family/friends are asking? what if they prove this was justified shooting?..will they keep protesting and looting?


Do you really believe anyone there protesting gives a damn about the truth? This whole episode has been agenda driven from day one. If anyone they cared about the truth theat would have waited for the investigation results before making accusations.
teedubbya Offline
#135 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 9:39 PM EST
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The cop is effed even if it was legit. And it very well may have been.
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#136 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 10:05 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
The cop is effed even if it was legit. And it very well may have been.


Yup, that light at the end of the tunnel is an express train.
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#137 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 11:16 PM EST
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If the cop doesn't kill himself he ought to look into making the move to holland or something... I would be not at all surprised if he kills himself though...
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#138 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 11:25 PM EST
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/children-struggling-ferguson-unrest/story?id=25039020

the picture at the top of the article says an awful lot about the current problem... poor black people indoctrinating their children into believing the police are out to kill them because of the color of their skin...
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#139 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 11:41 PM EST
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^ that's only a problem if it is wrong.

I'm sure that the cops aren't out to kill black people, but the reality is that the experience a non white person has with the police is very different than the experience a white person has with the police in a lot of parts of the US even today.

I've been walking with black friends when they get 20ft ahead of me and end up surrounded by 4 cop cars for what appeared to be trumped up reasons. I had to go bail them out of jail that night. I watched the entire thing go down while holding back their (drunk) 200lb rugby playing sister. Charges that would land a white drunk a citation and no disruption of their time gave them a fine, hours in jail and 4 cop cars making sure they went peacefully. We even had a lawyer with us.... (But she was trying to help me keep the sister from making a mistake)

I've been driving cross country with a black friend when we got pulled over. When the cop saw me in the driver's seat his reason for pulling us over simply became "I just wanted to make sure you weren't driving tired... " (it was 11 pm).

I've had the same friend call me in a panic at 2am because the taxi driver just called the cops on her and her bf for refusing to get out (the driver illegally refused to take them to the se side of DC). She was in a blind panic that her bf was about to be arrested (despite having done nothing wrong). I had to run to her location to be a "white face" because that's what she felt like she needed in that situation.

This isn't poor blacks. These are professionals with masters degrees.
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#140 Posted: Tue, Aug 19 2014, 11:52 PM EST
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I'm white, have had my car surrounded by cop cars and told I was a home invasion suspect... put in cuffs and thrown in the back of a car because I had an "attitude problem"...

also been detained for several hours as a "homicide suspect" when I was allegedly fishing right next to where a dead body was found... plaster molds of my tire tracks (who knew they still did that), threats that my employer would be called and questioned...

but I'm white... so what reason should I give my son to grow up and not trust the cops?
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#141 Posted: Wed, Aug 20 2014, 12:10 AM EST
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wow!! didnt realize how bad all the bad incounters with police there is in this country!
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#142 Posted: Wed, Aug 20 2014, 12:11 AM EST
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I've been pulled out of a car at gunpoint because I "fit a description"
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#143 Posted: Wed, Aug 20 2014, 1:11 AM EST
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Honestly, every one of my interactions with police where I'm the one in trouble have been smooth. I've been pulled over many times with expired out of state licenses... No problem at all. Every one in my life who has had negative encounters with police have been non-white, some of these encounters have been violent. And for the most part all my friends are professionals.... These aren't thugs.

I don't think only negative police encounters are with non whites... and I don't think all police will purposely make life harder for non whites. Bit there is a significant difference in your average police encounter depending on race.
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#144 Posted: Wed, Aug 20 2014, 2:19 AM EST
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I don't think only negative police encounters are with non whites... and I don't think all police will purposely make life harder for non whites. Bit there is a significant difference in your average police encounter depending on race.

Dont you you honestly think thats because "everyone" knows the majority of crimes commited in this country now matter were you live is committed by black offenders..and anyone who says this not true..or makes excuses for there crimes is just as quilty! thats just my honest thoughts! at least here we I live I dont know about were the rest of you live cant speak for that

Cigar
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#145 Posted: Wed, Aug 20 2014, 7:57 AM EST
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I was driving through south Texas once. minding my own business, and was detained at the border patrol station for 4 hours one night.... watched them rip apart the interior and trunk of my car... they were looking in places I would have never thought to hide somethin... they eventually let me go but I'm pretty sure they hassled me cause I'm Indian... couldn't have had anything to do with the puppy-dogs going off cause I was smoking a joint when I came over da hill..... Not talking
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#146 Posted: Wed, Aug 20 2014, 8:57 AM EST
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Cigar2014 wrote:
Dont you you honestly think thats because "everyone" knows the majority of crimes commited in this country now matter were you live is committed by black offenders..and anyone who says this not true..or makes excuses for there crimes is just as quilty! thats just my honest thoughts! at least here we I live I dont know about were the rest of you live cant speak for that.

According to them this point is irrelevant. Ferguson is 95% black with a police force of 95% white. Of course they're going to cry racial injustice when a white officer shot a black resident. Ironically though there's no outrage everyday as they kill each other.

It's all media promoted racial bullsh|t.
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#147 Posted: Wed, Aug 20 2014, 9:40 AM EST
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cacman wrote:
According to them this point is irrelevant. Ferguson is 95% black with a police force of 95% white. Of course they're going to cry racial injustice when a white officer shot a black resident. Ironically though there's no outrage everyday as they kill each other.

It's all media promoted racial bullsh|t.



That's just convienient talking points. I don't know (neither do you) because I'm not there, but I'd guess the media has very little to do with why the residents of Ferguson are protesting and I'd also guess the media has very little to do with why the residents of ferguson perceive a racial bias. I have done a lot of work with folks addressing the issues involving inner city Chicago and can assure you the black on black crime is their number 1 concern. Nothing is mutually exclusive here.

The only reason I have ever heard of ferguson is I have driven through and around it multiple times in St. Louis. The only reason most in here have heard of it is because of current event and NEWS reports. Nothing first hand.

Your perception of Ferguson may be driven by the press but I doubt theirs is. They live there. I highly doubt they are thinking about Rachel Maddow or the other dudes at MSNBC. Their perceptions are distorted by the things they see every day in thier community. Yours are equally distorted by what you see. Social media is also skewing their view much like the angry lady/mother emails do in here. But I doubt they are relying on the mainstream press for their fuel. It's hard to watch cnn while you are protesting. They may be using the press. As is "the other side".

that said you could probably find a person that is and thus prove they all are.
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#148 Posted: Wed, Aug 20 2014, 9:41 AM EST
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The people of Ferguson could sure use some help from the Cliven Bundy Militia. Heavily armed government law enforcement officers sure backed down when they showed up...
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#149 Posted: Wed, Aug 20 2014, 9:51 AM EST
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Teedubya will be here soon (possibly Victor too) to insinuate that those folks are racists.
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#150 Posted: Wed, Aug 20 2014, 9:54 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Teedubya will be here soon (possibly Victor too) to insinuate that those folks are racists.



Which folks? Meh doesn't matter. They are probably just racists anyway.
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