cwilhelmi
22 years ago
HockeyDad - touche, but what about the differing levels of severity the terrorist backlash can develop into? That was more my point than whether or not there will be a backlash.
Robby
22 years ago
what was the last attack a backlash from?
Tobasco
22 years ago

Chris, you are avoiding my original qwestion. What if GWB was given innacurate intelligence? Is that his fault? He has to trust his sources or why have them? Some of the intelligence came from Great Britain too, and they STILL stand behind what they had claimed.

That is a possibility dont you think? I still believe the WMD will be found anyway. But I'm throwing in these questions because anything is possible.

Mag
HockeyDad
22 years ago
Chris,

Would "differing levels of severity" be kinda like a terrorist blowing up a US embassy with 1000lbs of fertilizer rather than 2000lbs even through they had the material and a truck that could carry it because they owed us a break since we caught on that whole WMD in Iraq thing? We aren't getting a "Get Out of Terrorist Attack Free" card no matter what we do.
I'm still smoking that cigar even though my backyard is on threat level orange!

I can't recall a terrorist organization cutting anyone any slack, especially the country they view as the "Great Satan". When they have the means, they will try to hit us with it. Every attack is a backlash of the fact that we exist.

The WMD are there. The documents are available
on the Internet right now to make the case. It just isn't the case the news media is wants/needs to present. That is why I've asked what everyone's expectation is for "proof". President Clinton figured it out and bombed the crap out of Iraq for eight years. President Bush figured it and picked up where Clinton left off.

The threat is right in front of everyone's noses, that's is why it took the UN five years to find it.
cwilhelmi
22 years ago
Hockeydad - By differing levels of severity I mean a bus bombing vs. high jacking 4 planes.

Mag - Then whichever group provided the info is in deep $hit, but GWB would still take blame even if it wasn't due. I hate to say it and I hope I'm wrong, but it seems like he wanted this war no matter what it took to get it going.

Robby - The last attack was backlash from our involvement, favoritism and selective aid in the ME.
Tobasco
22 years ago


Chris, I quote:

"Then whichever group provided the info is in deep $hit, but GWB would still take blame even if it wasn't due."

Where is it written that GWB takes the blame for someone elses error? Or is that what YOU feel should be the end result? Just curious...

Mag
cwilhelmi
22 years ago
It isn't written but that's what will happen.
Tobasco
22 years ago

OK, I get it. This is only speculation on your part, not factual...

Mag
Tobasco
22 years ago

So why did Clinton get away with blatent lies, but Bush gets persecuted for someone elses possible mistake, if thats the case? Is this fair Chris?

Mag
RICKAMAVEN
22 years ago
why are we back to clinton who lied (maybe not) about a ****. i've tried to explain how the letter of the law works, but to no avail. i won't atempt to explain it again. those of you with some legal training understand, some of you without legal training understand. some of you don'[t want to understand. tough. it is becoming harder and harder to discus things with people whose iq's are two digits.

bush has amd will continue to lie about anything and everything. he, w, is the stupidest man to ever hold the office of president, and this country will pay the price for the damage he has done and will continue to do until he is run out of town. his father was no better and regean used to be the worst, but sunny boy is making regean look like an amateur.

and the next guy that atacks me personally for my viewpoint and opinions can climb a rope. i don't care if you don't like my opinions or not, i'm the same guy i would be if i thought like a conservative. then i would be liked personally simply because i had opinions that match yours.

i canot be a conservative, i'm not rude or crude or narrow minded enough. i am able to see and understand the opposite points of view without saying something stupid and nasty about the person himself.

i intend to post as much blatantly critical of bush and his ilk. i will only identify non political posts by NP. anything and everything else will be against bush and his puppet masters, those of obscene wealth.

if i post a picture of a pretty flower, you are welcome to look at it. there will be nothing even remotely about religion or politics.

if my posts do not start with NP. read at your own risk and agree or don't agree, at your own pleasure.

and charlie, where ever you are, i take back my apology. showing bush dresed and looking like hitler was not out of line.

for 65gtoman :

i have a little poem for you that i wrote.

LAST YEAR I WAS 20
LAST MONTH I WAS 30
LAST WEEK I WAS 40
YESTERDAY I WAS 50
AT THE BEGINNING OF THUS MONTH I WAS 60
ON THE 15TH I WAS 70

WHAT TIME IS IT NOW?
RICKAMAVEN
22 years ago
now that post fits the definition of snotty.

rick
Tobasco
22 years ago

Rick, put the bottle of vodka down and step away from your computer slowly...

Mag
HockeyDad
22 years ago
Chris,

Terrorists don't hold back. They'll unleash the most devastating attack possible based on what they have the means to accomplish. The key word here is "means".
The means could be training, infiltration, planning, or weaponry. A complicated attack like the World Trade Center took years to compile the means to pull it off. A bomb on a bus is extremely low-tech but the infiltration part may be the tricky item.

Take a look at what the Canadians found recently in their own backyard:

http://www.stpetetimes.com/2003/08/23/Worldandnation/Canada_finds_plane_sc.shtml 

Immigration violations, flight training, a lot of cash, no jobs, nuclear power plants. Sounds like somebody might have trying to develop the means to accomplish something, or it is all a big coincidence.


"bush has amd will continue to lie about anything and everything. he, w, is the stupidest man to ever hold the office of president, and this country will pay the price for the damage he has done and will continue to do until he is run out of town. his father was no better and regean used to be the worst, but sunny boy is making regean look like an amateur."

Rick, with rants like the above paragraph, you might want to back off the two digit IQ references.

It sounds like you're declaring a tactical retreat. Your absolute blind hatred for President Bush leaves you boxed in this position. Anything Bush is in favor of, you must be against. You are stuck with an absolute position in a world where there are no more absolutisms.

I'll leave you with one more quote to spark your curiosity:

"Let me tell you what I know. When I left office, there was a substantial amount of biological and chemical material unaccounted for. That is, at the end of the first Gulf War, we knew what he had. We knew what was destroyed in all the inspection processes and that was a lot. And then we bombed with the British for four days in 1998. We might have gotten it all; we might have gotten half of it; we might have gotten none of it. But we didn't know. So I thought it was prudent for the president to go to the U.N. and for the U.N. to say you got to let these inspectors in, and this time if you don't cooperate the penalty could be regime change, not just continued sanctions.

I mean, we're all more sensitive to any possible stocks of chemical and biological weapons. So there's a difference between British -- British intelligence still maintains that they think the nuclear story was true. I don't know what was true, what was false. I thought the White House did the right thing in just saying, Well, we probably shouldn't have said that. And I think we ought to focus on where we are and what the right thing to do for Iraq is now. That's what I think." - President William Clinton, July 22, 1993

Presidents Clinton and Bush both figured out the WMD puzzle and lead warfare against Iraq. Wonder what they must have figured out? Since Bush and Clinton are in agreement, you must now be anti-Clinton so it doesn't matter.
jdrabinski
22 years ago
Mike wrote:

"Where is it written that GWB takes the blame for someone elses error? Or is that what YOU feel should be the end result? Just curious...

Mag "

I love JF Kennedy's take: success has many fathers, while failure is an orphan.

The definition of a good leader is that s/he takes responsibility for the organization. Bush should take responsibility.

Remember this anecdote about Eisenhower (hardly a pacifist, liberal pansy):

"In 1960, President Eisenhower was advised by some, including his own brother, Milton, to blame the CIA for the U-2 spy plane shot down over the Soviet Union, its pilot captured. As described in Michael Beschloss's book "May Day," the president barked at his brother that if he blamed a subordinate, he'd have to fire him, and that would be hypocrisy. Eisenhower took full responsibility for the incident and refused to apologize for it, causing Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev to storm out of the Paris summit."

Bush ought to think about that. Responsible leadership means that the buck stops with the leader. No passing the buck.

Then again, he might think Eisenhower was a president during the civil war!

John
Tobasco
22 years ago


Hockydad

You are correct about Rick. Since there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BUSH CAN DO RIGHT IN RICK'S EYES, it severely lessens his credibility when he posts his opinions.

If he would acknowledge the fact that Bush has done some good things for the country, then his legitimate complaints or disagreements would be taken more seriously.

I for example, dont like Bill Clinton. But, he did do many things right. I'm not going to list them, but I made a lot of money during his terms in office. And some credit must go his way, but not all the credit.

Rick, you are obsessed, and you are starting to look like you have blinders on all the time. You need to be more realistic. GWB wouldnt be where he is if EVERYTHING he did was wrong.

Mag
jdrabinski
22 years ago
Mike, haven't you learned just how much a rich family and political connections can get a person? I thought you were old and experienced! Don't you wonder, just some small part of you, how someone with a C average can get into Harvard Business School? You think it was based on his qualifications? Damn. Try getting into Harvard with that academic record...no, let me save you the time.

You can't.

No one can.

Unless your father is someone like George Sr.

John
Tobasco
22 years ago


I'm not going to respond to a liar or communists opinions, so dont waste your time...

Mag
jdrabinski
22 years ago
Technically, that's a response. But technicalities are strange...technically, Bush didn't lie in the State of the Union, Clinton didn't have sex with Monica, and so on.

Nice to see you again too, Mike.

John
jdrabinski
22 years ago
Oh, P.S. technicality: I am a socialist, not a communist. THAT one matters.

John
cwilhelmi
22 years ago
Mike - Lying about a BJ as compared to falsifying evidence to start a war, yeah those are equally bad...
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