Let's try this again ... my first post went haywire, for some reason!



GG7 - 'Newbie' is just a term of 'endearment' that is used to describe anyone who is 'new' on any particular BB ... no mater what experience one may have in real life. Nothing personal ... really! You are new here, so hence the 'newbie' remark.

I remember how upset I got at over at CF when I first joined. Man, did I ever get a razzing. I was 'newbie puke' and 'newbie scum' for many months ... hehehe! And of course, the more I made a big deal out of it, the worse it got.

But still, I still can't help but 'read between the lines' on some of your 'conversations' ... and that there just might be something a little more 'deep seated' in what you say. You are trying very hard to get your point across ...

Crap ... what the h*ll is going on here?

mmmmmmmmm I like the third one best.

YOU ARE RIGHT....AM.AM AM

I like the first on with the different fonts

GG7, Let me also make myself clear. I could care less about this guys technique or your technique or anyone elses bidding technique. I simply know what the going rate for anything I bid on is and how much I am willing to pay here and make my decision from that.

I also don't care how many "5 digital hygrometers, 10 Otter boxes and 8 Bowman lighter 2-packs" that he buys or what he does with them. Really not my business.



I'll state the point I was making once again



"This is an auction and as long as the bidder is operating by the rules that the owners of this site set up I don't see that you have anything at all to bitch about or the right to be calling them the names you have in this post. What I see as "selfish" is someone complaining about what another bidder is doing because they didn't get what they wanted at the bargain price that they wanted it at. "



I also take issue with you calling him the names you have. I feel that is completely uncalled for unless you know him personally and know for a fact that he is the following;



"scammer, stupid person, idiot, clown, selfish, dork, joker, dweeb, thieves, dope, jerk off, pompous asses(that would be us), slow ones(us again).




That's a lot of name calling just because you don't like the way somebody bids or that others don't agree with your assessment of the situation.



My daddy always told me that if you're good at something or sharper than the rest then there's no reason to brag about it. The people that need to know will realize it and the rest really don't matter.


Also as I stated in first post I really don't want to start an argument here but I don't think there's any reason for you to come on here calling others name and trying to convince us that you are smarter and have better "Auction Technique" and "Skills" than the rest of us. It just might surprise you but that are actually a few smart cookies around here.


Other than that, enjoy the good deals you are getting here.


ORV

That should be



It just might surprise you, but there are actually a few smart cookies around here. (obviously I'm not one of them)



ORV

Hi Orv,



I appreciate your comments and understand where you are coming from.

As for the greedy practice I have such a problem with and the folks that insist on using it ... Lets just agree to disagree as to whether or not it gives the user any edge regarding the outcome of the auctions they bid on and whether or not the practice ultimately costs all of us more money at the end of the week.

I only listed my auction experience to show that I wasn't talking out my ass about the practice being a total waste of time.

Now its time to light up one of these PUNCH Rothchilds I got in my giant CB order that arrived a few minutes ago! :o)

Cheers.

Daddy always said..life is like a box of chocolates.

Hey guys, we all know that this guy, AM from Providence RI. is probably a dealer. CB must love you AM. I'm not just bitching about you buying up lots of stuff. Today you sure did buy lots of gars and merchendise. However some of us like to have a chance to get a "better deal" from time to time. Sure we can outbid you, or wait for another lot, like GG7 said. We rely on luck of the draw. In Vegas you'd be called a "Whale". In the Bible you would be classified as Greedy or a Hoarder. Here in Boston we'd call you a F@#*ing A-hole. We won't go there, so I'm gonna fuhgedaboudit! I really have mixed feelings about guys like you. I've bid on whole lots, but they were for me! We're just average Joe's who love smoking cigars. Do you smoke em or just buy em to resell? Cool if you do, but don't use CB to keep in stock. Where's your store?! I'd like to come down and see some of the things you outbid me on. Don't get me too wrong pal. We get our share. The operative word being share. Hey, take it for what it's worth, or just say "Eh!" Good luck. What goes around comes around.

Here is our friend's latest claim to fame.


http://www.cigarbid.com/auction/lot.cfm?lotID=63487 

Do you see him listed amoung the winners? What did I tell you would happen?

Could the winning bidders have gotten this hygrometer for less money without his incompetent bidding BS? (5 units on opening day with a $19.00 auto-bid...I can hear the dope now...

"Hmmmm I wonder if any of the thousands of other bidders on here might want one of these for $21.00 ??? Probably not so I will bid for all of them for $19.00, and if anyone wants one, they can start the bidding at $21.00 instead of $3.00. Yeah! Thats the ticket!...Duuuuhhhh.)

Orv may have thought that it wasn't nice to call people like this dweebs, jerks or selfish idiots. Personally, I really can't think of a better list of names to describe my opinion of the type.

Let me ask you again...Do you see AM in the list of winners? Unless you are bidding on some pretty unknown stuff on CB, you never will, but you can count on one thing...If he and others like him make it to an auction before you, they will cost you $$ over and above what you would have normally paid, guaranteed!. ;o) I did say it was BLISS! ;o)

GG7 - I thought you were through with this ... ;-)

BTW ... no you won't, as I am patient, and will get it for the price I want to pay, and nothing more. I may have to wait awhile ... but, oh well.

Anyway ... who cares?

Just putting a CAP on the thread Slim, with some proof to back up my previous claims about the technique and what it does for the bidder who uses it, but more importantly, what it costs those who actually WIN the auctions these fools choose to meddle in.

In the end, I have learned my lesson. You guys seem content with the status quo around here, so more power to ya! I will keep any future observations or revelations about this site to myself from now on.

How about them Yankees? ;o) Cheers!

GG7 - You've definately made your point, and it is not going to change anything. Those type of bidders have been here since this site began. and they will continue to be here ... and to be honest, hasn't really affected me. Life goes on ...

The bottom line is, it doesn't cost any bidder here a penny more than the maximum they are willing to pay ... period. If they have to wait a little longer to get it ... so be it.

It certainly would be nice if people could be controlled to do everything we wanted them to do ... but it just isn't going to happen.

Now take your final question and go to the 'Sports Forum' ... hehehe!

BTW ... the 'oldtimers' here may remember the bidding feature that was here in the beginning, where you could withdraw/change your bid within 15 minutes? Anyone here could run the bids up to your maximum (or find out what it was) and then withdraw theirs, and leave whomever was left at their maximum bid. That really sucked ... and that was something that could be changed ...

I startet a threat a year ago,and pointet to some people who even use same initial same town and resale there winning bids on a other webauctionsite starting with e ending with y. Life goes on and IMO everbody can bid on as many they want and pay as much the want!
Just think about this guy must make a living out of resaleing this products!

This may go in the Guiness Book of World Records as the longest dead horse thread of all time. Let's keep it going.

I just got one of those humidor thingies with 8 Carlos Torano for $25. How much better a deal should that have been? The cigars alone are worth that. A couple weeks ago I got a $100 box of cigars for $46. Dont matter whose initials are on the bid, you are not going to get Fuentes for half-price here, so put it out of your mind.

Heck! Lets go for 100 posts shall we? ;o)

Looks like this site has a lot of dead horses. LOL! In my book that's just another name for easily indentified unresolved problems. ;o)

Glad they changed that previous bidding format Slim!

There is a scammer in every bunch!

I hear ya about the current situation. Too bad that CB doesn't have more rules regarding resellers using this site as a cheap alternative to their sales reps and vendors. As Cruiser said, the guy I am referring to is apparently unloading his booty on the BIG auction site (when he actually wins anything), so what does that say about the live and let live attitude now?

Do you guys really have no problem competing with professional resellers who are buying this stuff not for their own personal use and enjoyment, but to make money off less resourceful cigar buyers, and ultimately at YOUR expense? I think CB should seriously consider banning resellers from using this site as a cheap alternative to their normal vendors and sales reps.

The more of them that discover this site, the more camping at lot openings we will see and the less true bargains there will be for the folks this site was originally designed for.

Since resellers will never be caught overbidding (They know the wholesale prices so they lock up the entire lot with a bid limit set to what "would have been" your DEAL price. You have the option of moving on, or paying more to get in and/or win) CB is never going to see any profits from professional reseller participation here, only a growing list of angry consumers who will eventually grow tired of bidding up to street prices to get in and in many cases overbidding to win. They could do as Slim suggests and let the resellers HAVE the auction. However, if enough of us start letting these guys HAVE all the auctions they try to lock up, pretty soon there won't be any auctions left to bid on!

I don't see that happening in the near future, but if this problem goes on unchecked, I think it will likely become the norm around here, and that would truly SUCK!

Eleltea, I am looking at the BIG picture here and down the road a piece. I too am getting great deals, but I am also starting to notice more and more lots being hoarded. Perhaps you haven't been buying as much as me lately and as a result haven't been in as many auctions in the last two weeks as I have.

Not sure how this compares to others here but these are my stats for my last two weeks of serious buying:

Auctions bid on: 51

Auctions Won: 28

Total cost not including shipping: $527.00

Number of auctions where hoarding was encountered:

Week one: 6 out of 32 or approx. 19%

Week two: 8 out of 19 or approx. 37%

Granted these are only auctions I bid on, so the percentage increase may not be there at all for the entire site, but I suspect that hoarding is on the rise. In my case, you can see why I started to notice it at the end of the second week, which ultimately lead to this thread being posted.

Perhaps I am one of the few around here that pays attention to trends on this site, but since one of my previous jobs dealt with them, I think I am predisposed to notice them everywhere. ;o)

This ones's for GG7 ... hehehe!

GG7 - I don't understand why you think 'all of a sudden' there is going to be a rash of retailers coming here and bidding. This site has been here for many years ... and as long as I have been here, it's been about the same as it always has been ...

... and I continue to get great deals. Did I tell you about the box of Drew Estates Industrial Press 'Three Kings' I won for a little over $30 recently? They retail at CI for $80 ... and the list goes on! Who cares what retailers do ... we live in America, and the last I heard ... it's still a free country. 🙂

100!

That picture was funny Slim! ;o)Glad to hear that you haven't noticed more and more retailers hoarding here. I know you have been here for a long time, so thats comforting.

Perhaps it is just a recent batch of new resellers who have made the problem more noticeable lately?