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Brew,
Will you be topping this thread at every instance of a severe weather event?
Media sheeple are so predictable.



But I digress.
Let's play along.
Since you're not "ignorant" to the "facts" of man induced climate change, please enlighten us:
1. What percentage of our climate change is influenced by man?
2. What percentage of that is caused specifically by fossil fuel burning?
3. If man stopped burning fossil fuel yesterday, what would be the long term impact to climate?


Three simple questions.
If you want to tell me and my company what I can and can't do, you better have those answers. Because otherwise you're just following a media driven frenzy.
But don't fear. We won't call you ignorant.

400 parts per million. That is where we are at for CO2 levels. They've been on the rise since the industrial revolution. They've been on the rise in the Holocene period coinciding with the written history of mankind and civilizations.

We can go ahead and make the leap of faith that those who proclaim they are intelligent and enlightened have done (yes, you are in that group) and reach the conclusion that man is the cause of this current round of climate change. Next we have to make a proclamation that climate change/global warming/global cooling is a bad thing. (Global warming actually is a good thing for some areas, not good for other areas) Now we can easily see that we need to reduce or eliminate mankind and eventually CO2 levels will fall. Most won't think this is a workable solution but it is an obvious one if we have the problem designed right.

Since we're not going to reduce the human population, CO2 levels are going to continue to rise. We can tweak a few things like carbon emissions and reforestation but these really barely dent the CO2 emissions of mankind and we're still growing our ranks. Here's the reality......CO2 will continue to rise in your lifetime. Temperatures will continue to rise in your lifetime. Sea levels will continue to rise in your lifetime. Nothing you can do will change this. Eliminate all CO2 emissions tomorrow and the levels will still likely rise for another 100 years. You can send me $500 for carbon credits and I'll plant some trees and you will feel much better but the numbers still are going to rise.

What you have to decide is can you handle the increases over the next 50 years. Sea levels are going to be up by one inch and average temperature may be up by half a degree or something. If you can't handle this change...move! If you think you can handle it then adapt, overcome, intelligently re-design, whatever.

I just farted...


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http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/we-must-preserve-the-earths-dwindling-resources-fo-11239

Hah... no. That's "some financial incentive". Our species has shown again and again that we can accomplish pretty much anything given sufficient time or money. The fact that we haven't just means that enough money hasn't been applied to the problem (keep in mind, I am NOT stating that the amount of money required to solve the problem is worth the solution. Just saying that if we really really wanted to solve the problem, to the extent that the resources of 1st world nations were poured into it, we could definitely ensure the next generation is suffering from CO2 shortages and any number of horrible unforeseen consequences resulting in mass die-offs in 3rd world countries. We could totally do it. :)....)

I will jump on the global warming bus for the right price. ...

Read what I write carefully Tail. I don't personally support any mandates. Because I simply don't care.

I am simply pointing out that you will take a Dr's recommendation for your personal health without applying the same criteria you are demanding of climate science.

One can not personally care about the climate and still believe the conclusions climate scientists are coming to can be logical.

I am all in favor of more financial incentive. I got a nice chuck from Obama's green energy stimulus funds.

You know, If CO2 levels fall below around 150 ppm, photosynthesis stops. Control the CO2, control the oxygen. We need to develop a real CO2 sponge. Right now we see the oceans and rainforests as that. We need a sponge that we can control and sell in fractions.

I think what he meant was someone could care less about climate charge but still agree with the alarmist climatologists and liberal douchebag "raise awareness" types who drive their SUVs to global warming protests.

Hehehe... I'm fine with that. I just don't like it when people say we "can't" do something. We can do it... we just haven't applied enough money.

Whether or not we "should" do something is a whole other question... and largely irrelevant to me. :)

There has to be a profit in that HD. Sounds like an untapped market.

Tail,

I topped the post because it seemed relevant. To your credit, you have demonstrated that to some it is not.

This as it may be, you're not really serious with those three questions, are you? I mean you're joking right? Don't pretend that you would agree with or be satisfied by answers to any of your nebulous or meaninglessly debatable questions. If you deny the effects are negative just say so.

And if your point is "science does not know" then you're not paying attention. Which is understandable.

Truth is that govmut tells you and your company what they can an can't do all the time. So get used to it. And try not to whine about it when they say we have to make changes like getting rid of transfats because "they" figured out it's bad for you.

So instead of answering, you're going to use the "you're joking, right" retort.

Big surprise.

LeHockey is a nihilist unless there's a profit to be had.

True that.

And he is French.......

Truth be told, we really don't know what mankind is doing to our climate with our energy production.
Our environment? That's easier to decipher, and we know that everything we do has an impact.
But as Woodsie the Owl and the Crying Indian has proven, there is no MONEY in riding the pollution pony.

So enter Al Gore.
He of the proverbial hockey stick weather chart.
And the world doesn't necessarily "listen", so much as they see dollar signs.

And they feed the masses.
And fools like our pal Brew eat it up.

Mankind has a dramatic impact on our environment. We know this to be true.
But we likely (VERY likely) didn't cause the Texas Flooding. Or Sandy. Or Katrina. Or my last New England Winter.

Love your mental analogy here......one mans health being used as a comparison to Global health and concern over
" fair play " The difference in your lame analogy is that his personal doctor has NO AGENDA to use his patients health to get richer than he might otherwise be as opposed to the Global Warming Nazis using their corrupt theories and numbers to receive MORE tax dollars to fight a battle we"re not certain we even created let alone our ability to do ANYTHING about it.

If we had more tax dollars we would have better answers to these questions.

Ummm.... who exactly are these "global warming nazis"? This sounds like one of your vague conspiracy groups. Your whole "not certain we even created let alone our ability to do anything about it" excuse is just simply weak minded bull-sh$t.

We didn't create polio, and when it first came out I'm betting there were weak people like you saying "but we're not certain we can cure it!"... someone ponied up enough cash, and someone smarter than you found a vaccine. There are millions of examples of hurdles our species has faced, which we did not create, but which could have a seriously negative impact on us. If people like you were in charge, we would have died off hundreds of years ago.

None of this matters cuz all the bees are disappearing.

How can I be "wrong" about saying that we simply don't know.
Because we don't.

I'm literally shocked that the whole "climate" issue has been able to maintain a foothold this long.
From the New Ice Age in the 70's to Global Warming in the 90's and now just CHANGE. As if the climate wouldn't be changing without us.
I want clean air for my kids and theirs. I saw Wall-E. I know what will happen to the human race.
But the media has sold false and misleading information as "facts" and good people like our pal Brewha are so convinced that they point fingers and call names to anyone who simply asks the questions that need asking.

Is it true that the heat from hybrid cars electric motors is having a higher impact than the co2 emmissions from conventional cars? That the battery disposal toxicity will outweigh the oil from the earth going back into it?