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Poll Question : Is Global Warming Real?
Choice Votes Statistics
No, it’s just made up by the left wing Liberals. 10 11 %
Maybe, it’s a natural cycle - not really man made. 46 54 %
Yes, it largely caused by industrial pollution. 29 34 %
Total 85 100%

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DrafterX Offline
#251 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 8:23 AM EST
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tell ya what Victor... I'll sell you some of my carbon credits and you'll be good.. just pm me your credit card info... ThumpUp
HockeyDad Offline
#252 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 8:24 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I swear, you're starting to remind me of the san franciscans in South Park, smugly sniffing their own farts.


An outstanding episode!

(I believe the official term for "caring" is actually "raising awareness".)
Brewha Offline
#253 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 2:27 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Ah good.... I was afraid you'd just remain insufferably holier-than-thou.

You are certain I have obligations based on my existence on this planet. List them off. Be precise. You can't just make a blanket statement about some vague obligations and run off. How am I supposed to know whether you are fulfilling your obligations? Are these obligations transferable? If my mother was a really good person and recycled a lot, am I absolved from having to do it?

Don't just stand there and be smug about how much you care about our planet, Tell me, and be precise. Exactly how much responsibility you believe each individual has. Have you met your responsibility? Or are you just sitting here being smug because you "care"? (I'd like to point out, that "caring" accomplishes nothing). Additionally, can this "responsibility" be monetarily accomplished? What percentage of your income do you dedicate to this responsibility? Are there specific acceptable charities?

I swear, you're starting to remind me of the san franciscans in South Park, smugly sniffing their own farts.


Yes, I am certain that you (we) have obligations to others and our environment.

Give you a precise list and don’t make blanket statements about a persons obligations in life? Really?

Victor, the matter of our obligations as people is even less simple then you think. And there is no level of detail, no exhaustive list, or thoroughly tested bit of reason that would suffice; you are an admitted misanthrope with dishonorable values and pants that are way too short (ok, I guessed about the pants). You have already dismissed core values common to all people (it’s people I talking about here), so having me providing you further example or comparing notes would have no meaning.

I might as well try to convince Richard Dawkins to love Jesus, or Hitler to wear a yamaka, or ****** Clark to host the 2014 New Years Eve Bash. Face it Victor, you are not looking for reason – you are looking for a benevolent thought that you can devour like Mama Cass on a ham samich.

BTW; caring is the precursor to humanities greatest actions. Without its’ spark the home fires would not burn.
DrafterX Offline
#254 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 2:38 PM EST
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it would be nice if Victor just drove on the right side of the road didn't throw rocks off bridges and stuff... that's kinda acting human I guess... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#255 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 2:42 PM EST
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there is nothing more beautiful than two cream puffs arguing about the meaning of life
teedubbya Offline
#256 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 2:43 PM EST
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Tesla would have contributed much more to history if he had just made use of the fruit of his loins
DrafterX Offline
#257 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 2:45 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
there is nothing more beautiful than two cream puffs arguing about the meaning of life



it's always about the cream with you huh.... Eh?
victor809 Offline
#258 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 2:56 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Yes, I am certain that you (we) have obligations to others and our environment.

Give you a precise list and don’t make blanket statements about a persons obligations in life? Really?

Victor, the matter of our obligations as people is even less simple then you think. And there is no level of detail, no exhaustive list, or thoroughly tested bit of reason that would suffice; you are an admitted misanthrope with dishonorable values and pants that are way too short (ok, I guessed about the pants). You have already dismissed core values common to all people (it’s people I talking about here), so having me providing you further example or comparing notes would have no meaning.

I might as well try to convince Richard Dawkins to love Jesus, or Hitler to wear a yamaka, or ****** Clark to host the 2014 New Years Eve Bash. Face it Victor, you are not looking for reason – you are looking for a benevolent thought that you can devour like Mama Cass on a ham samich.

BTW; caring is the precursor to humanities greatest actions. Without its’ spark the home fires would not burn.


....
Ok. Since you're not willing to quantify anything at all, which I take to mean you really haven't thought through the entire argument, let me do a little work for you.

I'm not having children.
This means I'm not having the average 2 kids (in the US, mileage may vary in other countries), and they are not having the average 2 kids each, etc etc.
This means that within the span of 50 years, I have already voluntarily removed the generation of waste and consumption of resources of 6 WESTERN people (important to emphasize, as we consume more here than pretty much anywhere).
That's 6 people's worth of gas consumption (lifetime) saved.
That's the clean water consumption of 6 people. Saved.
That's the energy consumption, air conditioning, beef consumption. Saved.

I've already done more for the rest of the people on this planet than 99% of the population, simply by not breeding.
But that's not enough for you? I'm supposed to also say I care? I have a news flash for you... I WON'T BE THERE. Do you care if the fat guy in a room is gonna fart after you've left? no. In fact,if you're particularly devious you may feed him burritos before you leave. (hey drafter, want a burrito?)

I don't know what your obsession with "caring" is. It doesn't actually accomplish anything.
victor809 Offline
#259 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 3:10 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
it would be nice if Victor just drove on the right side of the road didn't throw rocks off bridges and stuff... that's kinda acting human I guess... Mellow


Are you calling the british non-human?
DrafterX Offline
#260 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 3:15 PM EST
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Think do they drive on the wrong side of the road..??
teedubbya Offline
#261 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 3:29 PM EST
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Drafter swings both ways
Brewha Offline
#262 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 3:29 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
....
Ok. Since you're not willing to quantify anything at all, which I take to mean you really haven't thought through the entire argument, let me do a little work for you.

I'm not having children.
This means I'm not having the average 2 kids (in the US, mileage may vary in other countries), and they are not having the average 2 kids each, etc etc.
This means that within the span of 50 years, I have already voluntarily removed the generation of waste and consumption of resources of 6 WESTERN people (important to emphasize, as we consume more here than pretty much anywhere).
That's 6 people's worth of gas consumption (lifetime) saved.
That's the clean water consumption of 6 people. Saved.
That's the energy consumption, air conditioning, beef consumption. Saved.

I've already done more for the rest of the people on this planet than 99% of the population, simply by not breeding.
But that's not enough for you? I'm supposed to also say I care? I have a news flash for you... I WON'T BE THERE. Do you care if the fat guy in a room is gonna fart after you've left? no. In fact,if you're particularly devious you may feed him burritos before you leave. (hey drafter, want a burrito?)

I don't know what your obsession with "caring" is. It doesn't actually accomplish anything.


Honestly Victor, Ray Charles could see this one with a cane. You’re not having children is because you don’t want to raise the little basterds – not for any altruistic reasons, real or imaginary.

By your crippled excuse for logic a leader who commits genocide is the ultimate steward of the land and abortion providers are near deities.



Your confusion about caring is simple. Unfortunately, you would have to have participated at least once to understand the mechanism. Until then only a mystery will you have . . .
Brewha Offline
#263 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 3:31 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Are you calling the british non-human?

No, that is HockeyDads' job.
bloody spaniard Offline
#264 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 3:33 PM EST
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For whatever it's worth, and I don't think it's the cold medicine talking, but I've rather enjoyed the intellectual give and take going on here- most notably between Brew & Victor. I think that the lines separating us are overlapping and/or getting blurred.

Nicely done. Applause
Brewha Offline
#265 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 3:40 PM EST
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Thanks Bloody,
We only do it because we care. And yes, Victor cares.
About what I have no idea . . .
DrafterX Offline
#266 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 3:41 PM EST
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Victor needs a puppy-dog..... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#267 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 3:43 PM EST
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Bloody needs better glasses
Brewha Offline
#268 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 3:51 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Bloody needs better glasses

Don’t be jealous.
teedubbya Offline
#269 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 3:51 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Don’t be jealous.


why? because he pulled it more than I did?
Brewha Offline
#270 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 4:55 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
why? because he pulled it more than I did?

Uh, no . . . Uh, I . . . didn't even know it was a contest . . .
teedubbya Offline
#271 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 5:00 PM EST
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yea. and I met my match....

he's also good at the how many licks does it take to get to the middle of a tootsie pop game.
Brewha Offline
#272 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 5:12 PM EST
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Formidable. A cunning licker too . . .
victor809 Offline
#273 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 5:38 PM EST
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Wow... superficial arguments at best. You do honestly care more about "caring" than actual results, huh? Kinda implies you don't want to actually solve a problem.


Brewha wrote:
Honestly Victor, Ray Charles could see this one with a cane. You’re not having children is because you don’t want to raise the little basterds – not for any altruistic reasons, real or imaginary.

So? since when does desire to help matter? If I really enjoy recycling, does that mean that I don't have a positive impact when I do it? Were you raised catholic or something?
If your goal is to help the planet (which I kind of doubt, I suspect you just like saying you care about it), then you shouldn't care whether I do or don't want children. The savings impact should be what is important.

Quote:

By your crippled excuse for logic a leader who commits genocide is the ultimate steward of the land and abortion providers are near deities.

Um...strictly within the context of the health of the environment, and barring any use of environmentally damaging weaponry, yes. (Well, not abortion providers, since the kid would likely be aborted regardless of each individual's presence). what's your point? a serial killer may be really good with puppies too, doesn't mean he isn't good with puppies.

Quote:

Your confusion about caring is simple. Unfortunately, you would have to have participated at least once to understand the mechanism. Until then only a mystery will you have . . .

Yep... keep sniffing your own fart. this is the dumbest of all arguments, and one I've seen you use before. It makes you sound like a hipster... What's the quote "if you can't explain something simply, you don't really understand it" or something like that.

Jesus... arguing with you almost makes me wish potts were around.
tegulator Offline
#274 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 7:22 PM EST
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My name is Dave, and I'm an alcoholic.
Brewha Offline
#275 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 8:06 PM EST
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tegulator wrote:
My name is Dave, and I'm an alcoholic.

Applause
Brewha Offline
#276 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 8:42 PM EST
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Victor - Well I am impressed.

I give you the nod; your ability to debate is unexcelled. And I mean that sincerely. From you total ignorance of being lambasted to your innate ability to create more tangents than an exploding bowel; you have the tenacity of a twelve pack drunk – with jock itch.

Thank you for the triple quote recant. I feel strangely honored.
So:

I hereby yield the thread jack topic of “Victors Standard Disclaimer” to the poster from an undisclosed location.

I leave the topic with this thought;
acting to the benefit of those unborn is to provide mercy, and . . . .

The quality of mercy is not strain'd,
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest:
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes.
'T is mightiest in the mightiest: it becomes
The throned monarch better than his crown;
His sceptre shows the force of temporal power,
The attribute to awe and majesty,
Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings;
But mercy is above this sceptred sway,
It is enthroned in the hearts of kings,
It is an attribute to God himself;
And earthly power doth then show likest God's,
When mercy seasons justice. Therefore, Jew,
Though justice be thy plea, consider this,
That in the course of justice none of us
Should see salvation: we do pray for mercy;
And that same prayer doth teach us all to render
The deeds of mercy.

Feel free to argue with Portia if you like.
DrafterX Offline
#277 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 8:44 PM EST
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Good for you Dave... ThumpUp

what are drinking tonite..?? Huh
DrafterX Offline
#278 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 8:47 PM EST
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I think victor saw Idiocracy and got scared.... Mellow
tegulator Offline
#279 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 8:47 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Good for you Dave... ThumpUp

what are drinking tonite..?? Huh


I'm drinking Laphroaig as I smoke a San Lotano Maduro...
Brewha Offline
#280 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 8:51 PM EST
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I'm drinking Old Plan Wrap - scotch - aged in the bottle, just like me . .

Have a good night boys!
DrafterX Offline
#281 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 8:54 PM EST
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I'm drinking Bud Light and hitting model glue every half hour or so... Im not an elitist... Sad
tegulator Offline
#282 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 8:56 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I'm drinking Bud Light and hitting model glue every half hour or so... Im not an elitist... Sad


Is it imported modeling glue? Whistle
DrafterX Offline
#283 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 9:11 PM EST
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made in China..!! Laugh
engletl Offline
#284 Posted: Thu, May 9 2013, 10:25 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
....
Ok. Since you're not willing to quantify anything at all, which I take to mean you really haven't thought through the entire argument, let me do a little work for you.

I'm not having children.
This means I'm not having the average 2 kids (in the US, mileage may vary in other countries), and they are not having the average 2 kids each, etc etc.
This means that within the span of 50 years, I have already voluntarily removed the generation of waste and consumption of resources of 6 WESTERN people (important to emphasize, as we consume more here than pretty much anywhere).
That's 6 people's worth of gas consumption (lifetime) saved.
That's the clean water consumption of 6 people. Saved.
That's the energy consumption, air conditioning, beef consumption. Saved.

I've already done more for the rest of the people on this planet than 99% of the population, simply by not breeding.
But that's not enough for you? I'm supposed to also say I care? I have a news flash for you... I WON'T BE THERE. Do you care if the fat guy in a room is gonna fart after you've left? no. In fact,if you're particularly devious you may feed him burritos before you leave. (hey drafter, want a burrito?)

I don't know what your obsession with "caring" is. It doesn't actually accomplish anything.

Don't worry victor...I have 4 kids, I did my part to make up for your lack of having any Sarcasm
HockeyDad Offline
#285 Posted: Fri, May 10 2013, 7:31 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Are you calling the british non-human?



The British are non-human. Just look at their teeth.
victor809 Offline
#286 Posted: Fri, May 10 2013, 7:56 AM EST
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engletl wrote:
Don't worry victor...I have 4 kids, I did my part to make up for your lack of having any Sarcasm


Huh.... then I think you owe me some child-carbon credits or something...

Good thing I accept payment in cigars. :)
Brewha Offline
#287 Posted: Thu, May 8 2014, 8:41 PM EST
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With all the news services and governments now saying that global warming is real and that hand I was just wondering how many people have changed their mind about this being man made.

Or is the Nile still deep?
DrafterX Offline
#288 Posted: Thu, May 8 2014, 9:07 PM EST
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$$$$$$$$$$

Mellow
HockeyDad Offline
#289 Posted: Fri, May 9 2014, 11:57 AM EST
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I think it is now called human influenced climate disruption
Buckwheat Offline
#290 Posted: Fri, May 9 2014, 12:10 PM EST
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Who cares? We've been thrashing the environment for years like a midshipman on shore leave in Phuket Thailand. I think we at least need to quit being bad stewards of the earth. If it is just a natural cycle then what is the harm? After all, the earth will be here long after we are all dust (and the earth doesn't care). fog
victor809 Offline
#291 Posted: Fri, May 9 2014, 12:46 PM EST
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I'm still waiting on my child-carbon credits...
HockeyDad Offline
#292 Posted: Fri, May 9 2014, 12:49 PM EST
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Why does the US Navy treat Thailand so poorly? I thought they were a global force for good.
tailgater Offline
#293 Posted: Fri, May 9 2014, 12:59 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I'm still waiting on my child-carbon credits...


Whoa whoa whoa, big feller.

You're looking for a credit? Because you won't have offspring to usurp resources?
Big whoop.

You also won't have kids, grand kids nor great (to the nth) grand kids to help PAY for the mess we're digging ourselves into today.

If anything, you OWE us.

Because eventually the world will invent reliable and affordable renewable energy. But we'll never pay our way out of this debt.
tailgater Offline
#294 Posted: Fri, May 9 2014, 1:00 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Why does the US Navy treat Thailand so poorly? I thought they were a global force for good.


Thailand?
I thought Obama's tsunami machine took care of them already.
victor809 Offline
#295 Posted: Fri, May 9 2014, 1:02 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Whoa whoa whoa, big feller.

You're looking for a credit? Because you won't have offspring to usurp resources?
Big whoop.

You also won't have kids, grand kids nor great (to the nth) grand kids to help PAY for the mess we're digging ourselves into today.

If anything, you OWE us.

Because eventually the world will invent reliable and affordable renewable energy. But we'll never pay our way out of this debt.



Thank you tail. The idea that your children/grandchildren and great-grandchildren have essentially been sold into future slavery for my personal enjoyment of life today really brightened my day.

That's gonna keep me cheerful for the rest of the day.
gryphonms Offline
#296 Posted: Fri, May 9 2014, 2:02 PM EST
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No mind change. Global warming is real and man made. We see 1 of the effects almost daily, extreme weather conditions. Also just look at the reduced ice caps.
DrafterX Offline
#297 Posted: Fri, May 9 2014, 2:05 PM EST
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they got to ya huh... Mellow
gryphonms Offline
#298 Posted: Fri, May 9 2014, 2:39 PM EST
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Drafter, the emperical data is there. The question is do you think this is global warming related or a cyclical pattern.
DrafterX Offline
#299 Posted: Fri, May 9 2014, 2:59 PM EST
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I think it's related to the sun... Mellow
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#300 Posted: Fri, May 9 2014, 10:30 PM EST
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Until we cut back on Farts ,, well it's not gonna be very pretty...
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