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Poll Question : Is Global Warming Real?
Choice Votes Statistics
No, it’s just made up by the left wing Liberals. 10 11 %
Maybe, it’s a natural cycle - not really man made. 46 54 %
Yes, it largely caused by industrial pollution. 29 34 %
Total 85 100%

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Is Global Warming Real?
DrafterX Offline
#501 Posted:
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Poor CROS..... Sad
frankj1 Offline
#502 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Poor CROS..... Sad

cuz he can't swat bees and stuff?
QMPASH Offline
#503 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
I'm curious Tail, whether you follow your Dr's advice on things like eating healthy and exercising...
Because all of your questions could easily be applied to that situation.

1. What percentage of my life-span will be due to my diet/exercise vs my genetics?
2. What percentage of that is specifically from eating McDonalds?
3. If I stopped eating McDonalds yesterday, how long would I live?

Yet I'm gonna bet that you take a Dr's recommendation that you eat healthier, exercise more with some greater amount of seriousness. You may even listen to them, despite the fact that eating healthier is more expensive, and exercising takes time which could be used to earn money.

The point, in case you missed it, is that answering those questions isn't actually necessary to show an understanding of the causality between two factors. It certainly would help in quantifying, but isn't necessary to at least know what direction to head. And while just like in environmental discussion, there is the health nut who thinks quinuoa shakes and 5 hours of exercise daily is going to make him live forever, you also don't want to be the idiot who eats 1lb of bacon daily in front of the couch and is surprised when he dies of a coronary at 50.


I am not disagreeing with you because there is some truth in what you are saying (as an elitist who knows more than anyone else) but let's look at the ENTIRE picture. Please keep in mind that I am NOT saying that it would not be a good thing to lessen our carbon footprint. The truth of the matter is that the Earth has been, in the past, much warmer than it is today for long periods of time. For millions of years there were no polar ice caps. During the Triassic, Jurassic and Cretaceous eras, Earth was much warmer than it is today. This, even though the Sun was much smaller than it is today (too involved to get into a discussion of this phenomenon now.) On the other hand, there were two and possibly three (3) "Snowball" Earths in our planet's history. These were periods when the entire Earth was covered in a snowcap. There were also a few "Ice-Ages." There was a "mini" ice age during the Revolutionary War when we went through one of the most severe winters ever recorded. On top of all this, if we discontinued all human activity, which seems to be the objective of a lot of the global warming people, there wouldn't be any appreciable difference in global temperatures for hundreds, maybe thousands of years. When people start tinkering with something they don't fully understand, disaster can (and probably will) be the result. What I am suggesting is that, in addition to human activity, there may be other factors in play that scientists have not accounted for. I am with you on lowering our carbon footprint, but not at the price of reducing us to living in caves and munching on twigs and bark to accomplish that end. Frying pan ]
TMCTLT Offline
#504 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Ummm.... who exactly are these "global warming nazis"? This sounds like one of your vague conspiracy groups. Your whole "not certain we even created let alone our ability to do anything about it" excuse is just simply weak minded bull-sh$t.

We didn't create polio, and when it first came out I'm betting there were weak people like you saying "but we're not certain we can cure it!"... someone ponied up enough cash, and someone smarter than you found a vaccine. There are millions of examples of hurdles our species has faced, which we did not create, but which could have a seriously negative impact on us. If people like you were in charge, we would have died off hundreds of years ago.





YOU want to toss about " someone smarter than me " look Vicky I know that those people exist....I don't try to sound like or PRETEND to be the smartest fella, so your thinking this might upset me.....You'd be wrong!!
But please tell me what makes me WEAK to expect PROOF that WE are causing long term harm to our planet?? When super smart F*ckers like you can PROVE IT BEYOND ANY DOUBT....maybe we can discuss it further. Dude if we let people like you run things.....we'd be eaten up with STD's that had no cure. And BTW I'll give you credit on being knowledgeable about " weak mindedness " and " Bull**** " Now why don't you use all that brainsmarts and go find your next homeless person to **** over....
tonygraz Offline
#505 Posted:
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Last year was the hottest in modern record, the polar ice is melting. Why is there a question ?
sd72 Offline
#506 Posted:
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What was the question again?
bgz Offline
#507 Posted:
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sd72 wrote:
What was the question again?


Question was... How the hell do I make my weeds stay dead with the excessive co2 in the air?

Come on man, get with the program.
ZRX1200 Offline
#508 Posted:
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Tony you're a jackazz.
frankj1 Offline
#509 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
Question was... How the hell do I make my weeds stay dead with the excessive co2 in the air?

Come on man, get with the program.

did you ever get an answer?
tailgater Offline
#510 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
You can be right by saying we simply don't know, but wrong to think that there is a significant chance it won't be a negative result (for those of us in 1st world countries).



I don't think I said that.
tailgater Offline
#511 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
Last year was the hottest in modern record, the polar ice is melting. Why is there a question ?


Please tell me you're kidding.
bgz Offline
#512 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
did you ever get an answer?


Nope, guess I'm just going to have to embrace my desert landscape, some of the weeds look really strong, healthy and have character.

Who am I kidding, fugging weeds... I'll get rid of them tomorrow... been slacking on it, lol.
frankj1 Offline
#513 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
Nope, guess I'm just going to have to embrace my desert landscape, some of the weeds look really strong, healthy and have character.

Who am I kidding, fugging weeds... I'll get rid of them tomorrow... been slacking on it, lol.

weeds' lives matter
tonygraz Offline
#514 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Tony you're a jackazz.


And you have no facts.
TMCTLT Offline
#515 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
And you have no facts.




And neither do you or anyone trying to advance this issue with "scare tactics "
borndead1 Offline
#516 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
Last year was the hottest in modern record, the polar ice is melting. Why is there a question ?



There's a question because neither of those things you stated are actually true.
tonygraz Offline
#517 Posted:
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Science says it's so. The puppets of the Koch conspiracy say it's not. It's facts against opinion and I always go with the facts rather than with those that deny them.
Hillbillyjosh770 Offline
#518 Posted:
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It's the 20 year cycle.
Only the Fog's know this. It's been economic propaganda since after the Second World War.

Aliens will come before this planet burns off.

We will realize that this planet needs it's oil like a big block needs oil. And we will start pumping mobile 1 back in between the tectonic plates.

Unicorns will come back. Samsqaunch will have his own talk show. The Illuminati will kill themselves off,

War will be oh-hum. People will start singing in the streets.

It'll be alright.

Go to work, love your family and neighbors, enjoy your productive retirement, and tell folks your life story.

The Band, The Weight breakout plays in the background.



Wth was I saying!!?!

Oh yeah...... Be sure to drink your ovaltine

tonygraz Offline
#519 Posted:
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Science says it's so. The puppets of the Koch conspiracy say it's not. It's facts against opinion and I always go with the facts rather than with those that deny them.
ZRX1200 Offline
#520 Posted:
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Jesus H Christ you tool.
borndead1 Offline
#521 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
Science says it's so. The puppets of the Koch conspiracy say it's not. It's facts against opinion and I always go with the facts rather than with those that deny them.



Google search these terms: "2014 was not the hottest year on record" and "polar ice is not disappearing" and choose an article from a site that you find the least objectionable.

The problem with this (or any) political issue (left or right) is that you take what you're told at face value. A statement is made (and repeated 10,000 times) and you just accept it without question. And to be clear, I am not claiming that human activity isn't having a negative effect on the environment. Of course human activity has a negative effect on the environment. Only a fool would deny that. The severity of that effect, however, has not been established and no real methodology has been developed for measuring natural vs. manmade effects. The globe isn't warming and the ice caps' mass is HIGHER than 1979 levels, which is when NASA satellites began photgraphing them. You can find all this info if you only dig for it. You can also find where this global warming -- oops, I mean climate change -- oops, I mean climate disruption narrative is coming from. When there are oil companies calling for a carbon tax, I call bull****.
tonygraz Offline
#522 Posted:
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The hottest year on record has always been subject to denial and the same goes for the ice. The only thing I'm convinced absolutely of is that Z is a dumbazz.
Hillbillyjosh770 Offline
#523 Posted:
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Bottom line.....

Eat, Drink, and be Merry!!

Nothing good ever comes from Worrying.

Fan-tittle-tastic!!

ZRX1200 Offline
#524 Posted:
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Quit smoking cigars then you stupid rube.
borndead1 Offline
#525 Posted:
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http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg

Take a look at that.


And take a look at this Tweet from Gavin Schmidt of NASA. The probability that 2014 was the hottest year on record is less than 50%.

https://twitter.com/ClimateOfGavin/status/556139730929455105/photo/1
tonygraz Offline
#526 Posted:
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I have seen it and many other things. One thing that pushes my prospective is that who has the most to gain- those who believe in climate change or those that deny ? Your earlier commentary about repetiition seeming to be fact seems more of what the deniers try.
HockeyDad Offline
#527 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
I have seen it and many other things. One thing that pushes my prospective is that who has the most to gain- those who believe in climate change or those that deny ? Your earlier commentary about repetiition seeming to be fact seems more of what the deniers try.



So who has the most to gain from pushing climate change and who has the most to gain from denying? The answer might not be quite as clear as you think but I will be interested to see your lists.
tonygraz Offline
#528 Posted:
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For denial, any company putting CO2 in the atmosphere as it will cost them to reduce the emissions. For pushing climate change I find it hard to find a selfish reason.
DrafterX Offline
#529 Posted:
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well, there is the money.... Mellow

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/414359/global-warming-follow-money-henry-payne
victor809 Offline
#530 Posted:
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TMCTLT wrote:
YOU want to toss about " someone smarter than me " look Vicky I know that those people exist....I don't try to sound like or PRETEND to be the smartest fella, so your thinking this might upset me.....You'd be wrong!!
But please tell me what makes me WEAK to expect PROOF that WE are causing long term harm to our planet?? When super smart F*ckers like you can PROVE IT BEYOND ANY DOUBT....maybe we can discuss it further. Dude if we let people like you run things.....we'd be eaten up with STD's that had no cure. And BTW I'll give you credit on being knowledgeable about " weak mindedness " and " Bull**** " Now why don't you use all that brainsmarts and go find your next homeless person to **** over....


I am always amused at how completely you are able to miss the point.

Again... you are weak because you demand proof that we are causing the "long term harm to our planet" (that's a statement I would never make... that's all you. the planet will always be fine, we just may not be able to survive on it) before being willing to try to fix it. Hell, let's assume you're a standard semi-educated, over-breeding american who likes his white bread and oscar meyer sandwiches... why would you care what's causing the problem? Do you care what the cause of malaria is? Not really... you just want a cure. You want the problem solved by engineers and scientists so that you and your progeny can keep eating baloney sandwiches without fear that you'll die of malaria.

So why is climate change different? Why aren't you simply asking the scientists and engineers to solve the problem and make sure that the climate stays reasonably habitable for you and your progeny?
victor809 Offline
#531 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
For denial, any company putting CO2 in the atmosphere as it will cost them to reduce the emissions. For pushing climate change I find it hard to find a selfish reason.


Lets not fool ourselves. There's always a selfish reason to do this...
DrafterX Offline
#532 Posted:
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Show me Da Money..!! Mad
tamapatom Offline
#533 Posted:
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I find all the global warming debate amusing........The only known fact is that the earth is getting warmer. We still don't know if that's good or bad. Those who say warming is man-induced, don't really have enough info to know for sure.......and those that say people have nothing to do with it, don't have enough info to make such a definitive conclusion either. There seems to be hidden agendas on both sides of this argument. One side wants a red herring to spur greater pollution controls (more is better) and the other side is driven by a belief that more pollution controls are an unnecessary economic burden. A global disaster or lack of one is just a convenient vehicle for each agenda.

In the meantime, most of the world is screwing up their environment - killing the fisheries, eroding forest and farm land, creating unbreathable air and creating toxic landfills......pretty much indisputable facts.........isn't it there enough work for us all to fix things we can agree on that are bad for the environment?........and if in the process we reduce carbon or CO2, it can't hurt.

Problem is it is easier to get developed countries to want to do a better job than to get third world countries to do as good as we do. We debate whether or not man-induced global warming is causing people to die of record heat in India, but nobody really cares that many more die or suffer every year from living in a man-induced toxic environment.......ever been to Delhi?
ZRX1200 Offline
#534 Posted:
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What color are the people of India?


Tonygraz wants to call people racists real bad.
tonygraz Offline
#535 Posted:
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Caramel, you dumbass. It was 116 F there recently.
ZRX1200 Offline
#536 Posted:
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No kidding.


Read a book you ignorant troglodite.

April is pre-monsoon season and is the HOTTEST MONTH OF THE YEAR.......

You lose again. Go smoke a Big Richard.
tailgater Offline
#537 Posted:
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Caramel doesn't fare well at that temp.
HockeyDad Offline
#538 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
For denial, any company putting CO2 in the atmosphere as it will cost them to reduce the emissions. For pushing climate change I find it hard to find a selfish reason.



The cost for companies to reduce their CO2 emissions will just be passed on to their product consumers.

When you find it hard to find a selfish reason for pushing climate change, you kinda just remove yourself from the entire conversation as being unqualified to participate.


Lemme give you an example:

Company A has a lot of CO2 emissions.
Company B makes money by helping companies lower their CO2 emissions.
Company C makes money by helping companies pass their costs increases on to their customers.
Someone like say....Le HockeyDad works at Company B or C.

Under this scenario, Company B & C as well as someone like say...Le HockeyDad have a vested interest in lobbying the government to legislate tougher CO2 emissions because it means more work and profit. Now it seems like Company A is getting screwed but they really are neutral in the scenario because they pass the increased costs on to their consumers (with Company C's services!) and can now proclaim how much greener they are in press releases and commercials. That's at least a half-win at no cost. Half-Win/Win/Win situation.

Now I guess somebody does have to lose......the customers of Company A. They can't just abandon Company A because we are doing the same thing with all of Company A's competitors as well. Although they pay more, they at least have the satisfaction of being more green (while having less green).
tonygraz Offline
#539 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Caramel doesn't fare well at that temp.


Neither did the asphalt streets.
TMCTLT Offline
#540 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
I am always amused at how completely you are able to miss the point.

Again... you are weak because you demand proof that we are causing the "long term harm to our planet" (that's a statement I would never make... that's all you. the planet will always be fine, we just may not be able to survive on it) before being willing to try to fix it. Hell, let's assume you're a standard semi-educated, over-breeding american who likes his white bread and oscar meyer sandwiches... why would you care what's causing the problem? Do you care what the cause of malaria is? Not really... you just want a cure. You want the problem solved by engineers and scientists so that you and your progeny can keep eating baloney sandwiches without fear that you'll die of malaria.

So why is climate change different? Why aren't you simply asking the scientists and engineers to solve the problem and make sure that the climate stays reasonably habitable for you and your progeny?



No let's ASSume your an Over educated know it all who believes his " over education " gives him insight into THINKING he knows what other want for themselves or their family members ( again let me take this opportunity to Thank You for NOT procreating ) but continues to dance around other intelligent people expecting PROOF of the scare tactics others are selling to line their pockets. Do YOU or our scientists in charge of keeping track of the Health of our planet really believe we can alter the course of our solar system of which we are but a SMALL player in????
Did I also tell you I have some wonderful recreational property in Death Valley for sale???
tonygraz Offline
#541 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
The cost for companies to reduce their CO2 emissions will just be passed on to their product consumers.

When you find it hard to find a selfish reason for pushing climate change, you kinda just remove yourself from the entire conversation as being unqualified to participate.


Lemme give you an example:

Company A has a lot of CO2 emissions.
Company B makes money by helping companies lower their CO2 emissions.
Company C makes money by helping companies pass their costs increases on to their customers.
Someone like say....Le HockeyDad works at Company B or C.

Under this scenario, Company B & C as well as someone like say...Le HockeyDad have a vested interest in lobbying the government to legislate tougher CO2 emissions because it means more work and profit. Now it seems like Company A is getting screwed but they really are neutral in the scenario because they pass the increased costs on to their consumers (with Company C's services!) and can now proclaim how much greener they are in press releases and commercials. That's at least a half-win at no cost. Half-Win/Win/Win situation.

Now I guess somebody does have to lose......the customers of Company A. They can't just abandon Company A because we are doing the same thing with all of Company A's competitors as well. Although they pay more, they at least have the satisfaction of being more green (while having less green).



Company B could have other things to do and only be hoping to pick up additional business and Company C is a company that only exists because company A isn't too swift. I don't see the big push coming from them. Since company A will just pass on costs anyway, they again show they aren't too swift by spending money to push climate change denial.
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TMCTLT wrote:
No let's ASSume your an Over educated know it all who believes his " over education " gives him insight into THINKING he knows what other want for themselves or their family members ( again let me take this opportunity to Thank You for NOT procreating ) but continues to dance around other intelligent people expecting PROOF of the scare tactics others are selling to line their pockets. Do YOU or our scientists in charge of keeping track of the Health of our planet really believe we can alter the course of our solar system of which we are but a SMALL player in????
Did I also tell you I have some wonderful recreational property in Death Valley for sale???



tonygraz Offline
#543 Posted:
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TMCTLT wrote:
No let's ASSume your an Over educated know it all who believes his " over education " gives him insight into THINKING he knows what other want for themselves or their family members ( again let me take this opportunity to Thank You for NOT procreating ) but continues to dance around other intelligent people expecting PROOF of the scare tactics others are selling to line their pockets. Do YOU or our scientists in charge of keeping track of the Health of our planet really believe we can alter the course of our solar system of which we are but a SMALL player in????
Did I also tell you I have some wonderful recreational property in Death Valley for sale???


You sound like a republican.
TMCTLT Offline
#544 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
TMCTLT wrote:
No let's ASSume your an Over educated know it all who believes his " over education " gives him insight into THINKING he knows what other want for themselves or their family members ( again let me take this opportunity to Thank You for NOT procreating ) but continues to dance around other intelligent people expecting PROOF of the scare tactics others are selling to line their pockets. Do YOU or our scientists in charge of keeping track of the Health of our planet really believe we can alter the course of our solar system of which we are but a SMALL player in????
Did I also tell you I have some wonderful recreational property in Death Valley for sale???


You sound like a republican.




What does that even mean? So to be a DEMOCRAT you simply take in all the lies and bull**** and ask NO intelligent questions yourself? They love good party members like that!!!!!

Oh and I have NO firm party affiliation because all either do is take turns F*cking ALL OF US
HockeyDad Offline
#545 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
Company B could have other things to do and only be hoping to pick up additional business and Company C is a company that only exists because company A isn't too swift. I don't see the big push coming from them. Since company A will just pass on costs anyway, they again show they aren't too swift by spending money to push climate change denial.



You don't think this situation exists. That is a good thing.

So where is the big push coming from?
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#546 Posted:
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TMCTLT wrote:
No let's ASSume your an Over educated know it all who believes his " over education " gives him insight into THINKING he knows what other want for themselves or their family members ( again let me take this opportunity to Thank You for NOT procreating ) but continues to dance around other intelligent people expecting PROOF of the scare tactics others are selling to line their pockets. Do YOU or our scientists in charge of keeping track of the Health of our planet really believe we can alter the course of our solar system of which we are but a SMALL player in????
Did I also tell you I have some wonderful recreational property in Death Valley for sale???


Well... I would hesitate to call you "other intelligent people". why do you want proof it's us causing it? Even if it isn't us causing it (or any other thing), we have a chance to fix it. Your statement: "Do YOU or our scientists in charge of keeping track of the Health of our planet really believe we can alter the course of our solar system of which we are but a SMALL player in????" shows why you are a small person. You think small. With enough money, enough motivation, we can make big changes to anything. (small print: not all changes may ultimately benefit humanity, your results may vary).

As a hypothetical brain exercise (don't have a stroke)... let's assume that our current industrial and transportation processes have zero impact on the climate of earth. Let's also assume that we have a 95% confidence that in 50 years that climate will be completely inhospitable in the 1st world regions. 1st world agriculture will be non-functional. Would you just sit back and say "awwww shucks.... we can't do anything about that. Poor us. Guess we'll just have a mass die-off..." Geez... it's amazing your genetic material made it this far with that attitude.
tonygraz Offline
#547 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
You don't think this situation exists. That is a good thing.

So where is the big push coming from?


Republicans and the rich that own them.
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http://www.newsmax.com/Finance/MKTNews/Global-Warming-climate-change/2014/11/17/id/607827/
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf79Dc4gzR0
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a_tIS1ylh3c
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