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Poll Question : Is Global Warming Real?
Choice	Votes	Statistics
No, it’s just made up by the left wing Liberals.	10	11 %
Maybe, it’s a natural cycle - not really man made.	46	54 %
Yes, it largely caused by industrial pollution.	29	34 %
Total	85	100%

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dstieger User Profile	#51 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2013, 2:59 PM EST Add this topic as a favorite Add this post as a favorite
Joined: 06-22-2007 Posts: 10,889	victor, Challenge your assumptions. Desire for solutions are rarely part of any discussion that divides even vaguely along party lines. Rhetoric is valued much more than solutions. I think I'll just position myself with the camp that subscribes to: "You other guys are all stupid. And you suck."

victor809

#52 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2013, 3:05 PM EST

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bloody spaniard wrote:

Why yes, yes, it does.
Now please stop bitchslapping me for a "problem" I don't think ineeds further investigating. I'm like you. I really don't care.

If anyone REALLY wants further cutbacks in emissions & other forms of contamination perhaps they should get the Chinese back on bicycles, fine the Russian NRC for global nuclear contamination ,and get Indians to stop leapfrogging from corpse to corpse on their sacred rivers & focus on cleaning up their underground water sources.

Ah... "don't care". Good. That's a valid answer.

victor809 User Profile	#53 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2013, 3:05 PM EST Add this topic as a favorite Add this post as a favorite
Joined: 10-14-2011 Posts: 23,866	dstieger wrote: victor, Challenge your assumptions. Desire for solutions are rarely part of any discussion that divides even vaguely along party lines. Rhetoric is valued much more than solutions. I think I'll just position myself with the camp that subscribes to: "You other guys are all stupid. And you suck." Hey! Get out of my camp!

ZRX1200 User Profile	#54 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2013, 3:14 PM EST Add this topic as a favorite Add this post as a favorite
Joined: 07-08-2007 Posts: 60,615	Solar radiation. Denier talk.

SweetHavok

#55 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2013, 3:22 PM EST

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Victor

A while back Al Gore presented a "solution" that in his opinion would help stop global warming. The ideas and proposals brought forth in his solution, would barely make any impact at all. And mind you what he was proposing was very drastic. Now with that being said the sun and the earth have been around for billions of years, naturally going through stages of heat and ice ages. The last mini ice age happened less than 10,000 years ago. And many things not just man made affect the weather. There have been instances in which the planet cooled down for a years after a major volcanic eruption, recorded history in Europe tells of great famines and unnatural cold years that scientist determined an eruption half way around the world was most likely the culprit.

Solution for the Sun: none its been there for billions of years before we were here and it will be here billions of years after we leave.

Solution for volcanoes: unless you can plug them up permanently there isn't one either.

Nature is nature, we simply contribute to it.

bloody spaniard User Profile	#56 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2013, 3:22 PM EST Add this topic as a favorite Add this post as a favorite
Joined: 03-14-2003 Posts: 43,802	Denier? Only denier I know is a measurement of a weave's (nylon, polyester, etc. not hair) thickness. victor809 wrote: Ah... "don't care". Good. That's a valid answer. Why do I feel like an excited mechanical monkee with cymbals? Oh yes, I live for public affirmation of my opinions.

bloody spaniard User Profile	#57 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2013, 3:24 PM EST Add this topic as a favorite Add this post as a favorite
Joined: 03-14-2003 Posts: 43,802	SweetHavoc, I see you're a regular stinker, uhm, I mean thinker. Welcome to the boards!

victor809

#58 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2013, 3:33 PM EST

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SweetHavok wrote:

Pfft.... that's quitter talk.
Planet cooling and heating has occurred throughout the earth's life. But not all of it was generally friendly to the inhabitants.

If you don't particularly care (a valid answer, as I've said before) then you can say "Meh... planet may become uninabitable and kill everyone, but I don't care enough"... But that is a MUCH different answer than saying "climate change is caused by natural cycles" (the difference is that the second is implying that you actually care about the future generations, but your hands are just tied... aka politician speak).

As for your famines due to the last ice age and/or volcanic eruptions... well? what are you going to do about it? (again, "nothing, don't care" is a valid answer)...

My point, again, is that even if some climate change is natural, that doesn't mean we couldn't try to do something about it. (no, I don't mean cork up a volcano)... "natural" isn't automatically synonymous with 'not going to do anything". Whether a cause is natural or man-made, you do a cost benefit analysis to determine whether it's worth fixing it. Too many idiots assume "natural" means they can just wash their hands of the whole thing.

DrMaddVibe User Profile	#59 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2013, 3:35 PM EST Add this topic as a favorite Add this post as a favorite
Joined: 10-21-2000 Posts: 55,444	We should toss rubby players into volcanoes.

SweetHavok User Profile	#60 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2013, 3:37 PM EST Add this topic as a favorite Add this post as a favorite
Joined: 11-28-2012 Posts: 557	Thanks Bloody I try to stay away from politics and such but, because once I get started its hard for me to stop. But oh what the heck I defend others rights to speak, might as well have my voice be heard as well.

DrafterX User Profile	#61 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2013, 3:37 PM EST Add this topic as a favorite Add this post as a favorite
Joined: 10-18-2005 Posts: 98,555	I'm starting to think those survivalist dudes with the bunkers and stuff may be on to something.....

DrMaddVibe User Profile	#62 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2013, 3:39 PM EST Add this topic as a favorite Add this post as a favorite
Joined: 10-21-2000 Posts: 55,444	DrafterX wrote: I'm starting to think those survivalist dudes with the bunkers and stuff may be on to something..... Ahead of the curve?

SweetHavok User Profile	#63 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2013, 3:44 PM EST Add this topic as a favorite Add this post as a favorite
Joined: 11-28-2012 Posts: 557	Victor lets be realistic what can be done about the Sun or a Volcano eruption? Not a whole lot, if you want to do something by all means go and do it. But naturally occurring phenomenons? Really? Its like trying to stop the sun from rising? Oh, but let me guess you would try to find a way to stop earths rotation and have it spin in the opposite direction, because your not a defeatist.

bloody spaniard

#64 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2013, 3:49 PM EST

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SweetHavok wrote:

Thanks Bloody

I try to stay away from politics and such but, because once I get started its hard for me to stop. But oh what the heck I defend others rights to speak, might as well have my voice be heard as well.

You defend other's rights in more than one way... Very cool to have another young soldier from Afghanistan (yes, I do read profiles). lol
Ooops sorry, I misspelled Havok. God bless and protect you, my friend.

victor809

#65 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2013, 3:57 PM EST

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SweetHavok wrote:

Victor lets be realistic what can be done about the Sun or a Volcano eruption? d'oh!

Not a whole lot, if you want to do something by all means go and do it. But naturally occurring phenomenons? Really? Its like trying to stop the sun from rising?

Oh, but let me guess you would try to find a way to stop earths rotation and have it rotate counter clockwise because your not a defeatist.

Me personally? I wouldn't do much if the expected detrimental change was greater than 50 years. If it was in the next 10? then I might be more interested. Like I said, a cost-benefit analysis is primary... nothing happens till then.

But lets play with a hypothetical situation...
Lets say you're right... the current changes are natural and will continue to worsen. They are caused by "the sun"!!!! (this is possibly the least scientific explanation possible... are we talking distance from the earth? angle? flares?... ugh)...
Anyway, the sun is going to continue getting hotter for the next 500 years. At year 50, it is anticipated that the global temperatures will have risen enough to make costal areas non-existent... At year 100, arable land will be 10% of currently available. Total population impact is going to be 2billion dead by year 75, 4billion dead by year 100. Planet is predicted to be nearly uninhabitable from years 200 - 500 when it will start cooling again.

Ok... with that scenario in mind, would you do something? I'd think that if we knew we had 100 years to fix something that will kill nearly everyone... well? Seems that may be worth some investment. (Not by me, mind you... I don't like your children)... Hell, could be something as simple as a solar shield reducing the amount of radiation reaching the earth... I'm just saying that "natural" doesn't mean you twiddle your thumbs.

DrafterX User Profile	#66 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2013, 4:03 PM EST Add this topic as a favorite Add this post as a favorite
Joined: 10-18-2005 Posts: 98,555	we should just move to Mars if it gets too hot here.......

snowwolf777 User Profile	#67 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2013, 4:08 PM EST Add this topic as a favorite Add this post as a favorite
Joined: 06-03-2000 Posts: 4,082	DrafterX wrote: we should just move to Mars if it gets too hot here....... If we move there, won't that upset the natural balance of the environment for their three-headed monsters and stuff?

SweetHavok User Profile	#68 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2013, 4:12 PM EST Add this topic as a favorite Add this post as a favorite
Joined: 11-28-2012 Posts: 557	Would love to continue but finally sleepy, its almost 2am here in Afghanistan, so got to go

DrafterX User Profile	#69 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2013, 4:14 PM EST Add this topic as a favorite Add this post as a favorite
Joined: 10-18-2005 Posts: 98,555	SweetHavok wrote: Would love to continue but finally sleepy, its almost 2am here in Afghanistan, so got to go take care man.....

DrafterX User Profile	#70 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2013, 4:17 PM EST Add this topic as a favorite Add this post as a favorite
Joined: 10-18-2005 Posts: 98,555	snowwolf777 wrote: If we move there, won't that upset the natural balance of the environment for their three-headed monsters and stuff? we could take some goats with us to appease them for awhile.... then put them on a reservation or something....

Brewha

#71 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2013, 4:34 PM EST

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victor809 wrote:

I can say with all honesty I don't care about your children, or anyone else's children.

Why Victor, that is honestly sad.
Surprising it is, that you would have boastful pride of such a thing. Did you lose you humanity somewhere along the way, or did you hunt it down and murder it?

. . . High though his titles, proud his name,
Boundless his wealth as wish can claim;
Despite those titles, power, and pelf,
The wretch, concentred all in self,
Living, shall forfeit fair renown,
And, doubly dying, shall go down
To the vile dust, from whence he sprung,
Unwept, unhonored, and unsung.

- Sir Walter Scott

ZRX1200 User Profile	#72 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2013, 4:38 PM EST Add this topic as a favorite Add this post as a favorite
Joined: 07-08-2007 Posts: 60,615	That's beautiful man.....

Brewha User Profile	#73 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2013, 4:53 PM EST Add this topic as a favorite Add this post as a favorite
Joined: 01-25-2010 Posts: 12,182	ZRX1200 wrote: That's beautiful man.....

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bloody spaniard User Profile	#75 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2013, 5:03 PM EST Add this topic as a favorite Add this post as a favorite
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wheelrite User Profile	#77 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2013, 7:13 PM EST Add this topic as a favorite Add this post as a favorite
Joined: 11-01-2006 Posts: 50,119	SweetHavok wrote: Would love to continue but finally sleepy, its almost 2am here in Afghanistan, so got to go Be safe !!

Brewha

#78 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2013, 9:22 PM EST

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Emoticon kabuki aside, seems the consensus is;
a) Who care if it‘s real, let’s party.
b) It’s not real anyway.
c) Even if it is real, FTW, it won’t be a problem on my watch.

Curiously, there is no common opinion of what science has found on the matter. And there is the belief that scientists are in the same boat as politicians when it comes to facts – that is, only marginally factual in order to manipulate.

Pray

ZRX1200

#79 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2013, 9:34 PM EST

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Wrong assumption.

How about healthy skepticism of those trying to control the pucblic, and those who waste resources for profit. 16 years of no warming and we get one warm year and the knee jerkers are circle jerking again.

I think man may contribute but I do not believe that we are primary and I do not believe we are going to heal gods creation.

Go and google conservative. I don't like waste of any kind and I do love the earth.

Warming believers are largely self richeous jackasses that cannot handle a foreign thought rolling through their brain. Likewise there are those on the other side that bother me too. Start a discussion by asking a question then disrespect them for their answer is the Victor method. I don't like that and turns my respect meter off.

If someone uses an argument for control or profit I will ALWAYS question it.

wheelrite

#80 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2013, 9:39 PM EST

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Brewha wrote:

Ha ! you just surrendered,,,,

btw,
4 yrs ago before The U.N. scam was exposed there was " Consensus" among the Prostitute Scientists that get Federal Grants . Consensus is opinion not fact.

The Chicago Carbon Exchange was all set to go..

The Hockey Stick was really a Popcicle stick...

The Exposure of the fraud ruined Goldman Sachs' next bubble,,,

Anxious

RICKAMAVEN User Profile	#81 Posted: Thu, Jan 17 2013, 6:49 AM EST Add this topic as a favorite Add this post as a favorite
Joined: 10-01-2000 Posts: 33,248	wheelrite IF IT'S NOT FALLING HOW CAN IT FALL ON YOU? REMEMBER WHEN WE USED TO PLAY WITH ALLTHOSE BIG DINOSAURS WE USED TO HIDE FROM OR HUNT WITH ASSAULT AROWS WHEN THE WORLD WAS ONLY A FEW THOUSAND YEARS OLD. THEY NEVER BELIEVED US WHEN WE SAID ONE DAY YOU GUYS WILL ALL BE GONE. THEY ALL GONE AND ONE DAY DAY YOU WILL NEED A LIFE JACKET TO SWIM TO 7 11 FOR YOUR ORNING COFFEE

HockeyDad User Profile	#82 Posted: Thu, Jan 17 2013, 8:21 AM EST Add this topic as a favorite Add this post as a favorite
Joined: 09-20-2000 Posts: 46,135	ZRX1200 wrote: If someone uses an argument for control or profit I will ALWAYS question it. Le HockeyDad will try to participate in it! Get under the Cone!

HockeyDad User Profile	#83 Posted: Thu, Jan 17 2013, 8:24 AM EST Add this topic as a favorite Add this post as a favorite
Joined: 09-20-2000 Posts: 46,135	ZRX1200 wrote: WStart a discussion by asking a question then disrespect them for their answer is the Victor method. I don't like that and turns my respect meter off. See post #10!

jpotts

#84 Posted: Thu, Jan 17 2013, 12:36 PM EST

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Brewha wrote:

So, they say sea level will rise by 1 to 4 feet by the end of the century. Fact or fiction?

Is global warming real?

It depends on your scope. Is it real in the last 20 years? Maybe.

It is real in the last 4 million years? No.

Will the sea level rise by 1 to 4 feet? Maybe. Then again, if memory serves me correctly, the recently discovered the bones of an ancient wale that went extinct some 20,000 years ago (I'm trying to recall this from memory) near an inland lake in New York. The only way the whale could have gotten there is if the sea level were much higher than it is today.

So given all of this, I have a hard time buying into the hysteria and scientific concern over "climate chage." It has changed radically in the past without man pumping CO2 into the atmosphere, and it will continue to change radically no matter what we do.

What I fear the most are the idiot wackos who actually thing this is a grave enough concern to go out to the point of making devices that will "fix" the problem, like the guy who proposed creating a fleet of ships that will vaporize sea water and pump it up into the atmosphere to "couteract" the effects of "man-made climate change." Given the spotty record of being actually correct by these types of people in the past, I can just imagine what damage they will actually inflict on the environment in the process of "saving" it.

jpotts

#85 Posted: Thu, Jan 17 2013, 12:42 PM EST

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Brewha wrote:

Curiously, there is no common opinion of what science has found on the matter. And there is the belief that scientists are in the same boat as politicians when it comes to facts – that is, only marginally factual in order to manipulate.

Pray

Well, when you make a living being a parasite in a lab coat and feeding off public funds, then yeah you're gonna get real political with the results of your "research."

You assumption, perhaps, is that scientists are someone above being human, which is probably one of the stupidest assumptions that can be made.

There were lots of scientists in Nazi Germany who sighed on to the Eugenics movement, and lots of them who nodded their head to sterlizing and exterminationg people they considered "substandard."

And - contrary to popular belief - there were lots of scientists who sighed on to the fact that the world was flat because some ancient Greek scientists said so.

jpotts

#86 Posted: Thu, Jan 17 2013, 12:43 PM EST

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Brewha wrote:

victor809

#87 Posted: Thu, Jan 17 2013, 12:56 PM EST

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ZRX1200 wrote:

Start a discussion by asking a question then disrespect them for their answer is the Victor method. I don't like that and turns my respect meter off.

Hey, I haven't asked a single question. I started into this thread having little to no respect for the participants answers.

Don't imply I even bother asking people their opinion. I already know their opinion and I know they're wrong and should go sit in their shame box.
Asking a question first is for amateurs (Brew)....

Brewha

#88 Posted: Thu, Jan 17 2013, 1:16 PM EST

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ZRX1200 wrote:

My point of interest is what others think on this. I guessed everyone would be on board with warming occurring, but differ on the cause - I was wrong.

I really don’t need the climate to be changing to push for green technology. Guess I never bought into the “who give a sh1t about the future of the world” attitude as a few have displayed here.

Brewha

#89 Posted: Thu, Jan 17 2013, 1:19 PM EST

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wheelrite wrote:

It was not a contest – or a war.

Agreed that consensus is opinion, not fact (thank you Capt. Obvious Smile

Brewha

#90 Posted: Thu, Jan 17 2013, 1:41 PM EST

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victor809 wrote:

As I have pointed out in the past, the questions we ask are more important than the answers we get. Some find this puzzling.

I would further say on your behalf, that a man that does not ask questions of others – especially when stalled by his own egotism – is doomed to live in the fantasy of his own opinions.

You should ask questions of everyone. Remember that the fool is the twin of the wise.

SweetHavok

#91 Posted: Thu, Jan 17 2013, 2:13 PM EST

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victor809 wrote:

So basically what your saying is your close minded and not actually open to any new ideas. Why be open to new ideas when you already know everything, sorry didn't realize you were omnipotent. d'oh!

Brewha

#92 Posted: Thu, Jan 17 2013, 2:31 PM EST

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jpotts wrote:

You seem to value scientists less than politicians. Now why would jpotts hate scientists?

The study of science made our modern life style possible. And the scientific field is more honest and honorable than many others that come to mind. While the body of scientific knowledge is replete with errors, they are found and corrected as time goes on. Science does not create dogma – that is the realm of others.

ZRX1200 User Profile	#93 Posted: Thu, Jan 17 2013, 2:51 PM EST Add this topic as a favorite Add this post as a favorite
Joined: 07-08-2007 Posts: 60,615	Obviously you've never played rugby in Georgetown

victor809

#94 Posted: Thu, Jan 17 2013, 3:01 PM EST

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SweetHavok wrote:

So basically what your saying is your close minded and not actually open to any new ideas. Why be open to new ideas when you already know everything, sorry didn't realize you were omnipotent. d'oh!

Omniscient.

I've been on this forum for a long time, and for many of the years I attempted to engage in open conversation with other members. I learned my lesson. I have realized that I have a much more enjoyable outlook on this forum if my entire goal is to bloviate for a bit and mock people.

A conversation requires equal participation from all members, and honestly a large number of people have neither the reading comprehension nor the math skills required to actually be participants in a conversation.

bloody spaniard

#95 Posted: Thu, Jan 17 2013, 3:05 PM EST

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Brewha wrote:

Tell that to Pharma's deep pockets & their Government allies. You no likee their marching orders you no gettee the grant.
They like their results to match their fabrications & half lies.
Some day you'll understand, Ogie my son, my son. The dollar trumps integrity.

DrMaddVibe

#96 Posted: Thu, Jan 17 2013, 3:07 PM EST

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victor809 wrote:

Some random word that rarely gets used

Me, myself and I attempted to engage in open conversation. I learned my lesson. I have realized that myself has a much more enjoyable outlook on this forum if my entire goal is to exaggerate my education and profession.

I don't care what anyone has to say as the Earth, Sun and Moon revolve around me, myself and I, and honestly (if I can use this word without appearing too butch!) a large number of people have neither the reading comprehension nor the math skills required to actually play rubby in Georgetown.

You don't say? whip

bloody spaniard User Profile	#97 Posted: Thu, Jan 17 2013, 3:11 PM EST Add this topic as a favorite Add this post as a favorite
Joined: 03-14-2003 Posts: 43,802	HAHAHAHA! Victor always amoose me. What a crowd pleezer!

Brewha User Profile	#98 Posted: Thu, Jan 17 2013, 3:14 PM EST Add this topic as a favorite Add this post as a favorite
Joined: 01-25-2010 Posts: 12,182	ZRX1200 wrote: Obviously you've never played rugby in Georgetown No. But I have played nine-ball in Newark. Does that count?

ZRX1200 User Profile	#99 Posted: Thu, Jan 17 2013, 3:15 PM EST Add this topic as a favorite Add this post as a favorite
Joined: 07-08-2007 Posts: 60,615	I love you too Victor. XXOOXXOO

Brewha

#100 Posted: Thu, Jan 17 2013, 3:28 PM EST

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bloody spaniard wrote:

Using science to lie is truly nothing new – point taken.
However, the fault is not with the science. It is with those who twist it to lie and manipulate.
People do this with religion. But it is not the religion that is evil.

Marketing and spin aside - if they can be separated out – I think science is out best hope for our future.

Ogie?

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