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Watch the video. They did not refuse and were packed up and leaving. It was all in about a 2 minute period where they were told to leave immediately for their safety. Then they were zip tied and left standing there for 15 minutes. Ny post as well as huff.

As for the original flash point your version would be one version but dies not match other versions. We will have to wait and see on that

Reporters told to quit recording or else? No fly zones? Reporters tear gassed then their cameras turned downward by police? Police refusing to show badges or I'd? C'mon man.

One account of the original offense is the cop pulled to close (tony Stewart style) flung his door open and hit the dude which shut the door pissing the cop off. Then things escalated and the kid ran when shot. He stopped running when shot again then held his hands in the air and was shot several more times.

This may be z bogus account too but I wouldn't hang my hat on one or the other being right without more info.

As fir what is happening now Shane on the looters and instigators and double shame on the cops for pouring gas on the fire and over aggressively handling the majority whom are not looting or being violent. I hope a few of them face federal charges for violating the rights of individuals as well as the press. If they are innocent let them have their day in court too.

And sane person would say AMEN to that last paragraph.

After a week of rioting, er, protesting, I'm surprised they haven't called in the national guard.

I guess this is a practice run for all the militarization they've been ramping up the last many years.

LoL ... Ive got no kin MO .... Certainly no one out there "protesting". I do have one cousin who lives on KS, but he stopped talking to the family after his Dad's funeral, aka as my Uncle from the Robin Willians thread. Last I heard he was pushing 400 lbs. He's the world's biggest, pun intended, Nascar fan. Me? Meh ...

The unarmed black teenager who was fatally shot by a police officer in a St. Louis suburb, fit the description of a suspect in a strong-arm robbery that happened minutes earlier, a suburban St. Louis police chief said at a Friday press conference at which the officer was publicly identified for the first time.

Ferguson, Mo., Police Chief Thomas Jackson said that the robbery took place just before noon on Saturday at a nearby convenience store roughly 10 minutes before a police officer identified as Darren Wilson fired the bullet that killed Michael Brown. Police say that the shot was fired after a struggled touched off by Wilson's confronting Brown. Jackson said Wilson is a six-year veteran with no disciplinary action on his record.

The news conference came after nearly a week of sometimes-violent protests and calls by many, including President Obama, for local law enforcement to be more transparent about the circumstances surrounding the shooting. Police previously said they withheld Wilson's identity because of the potential for threats on the officer and his family. The officer has been on administrative leave since the shooting.

Police released still images and were planning to release video from the robbery, at a QuikTrip store in Ferguson. Jackson said Wilson, along with other officers, were called to the area after a 911 call reporting a "strong-arm robbery" at a nearby convenience store. He didn't immediately release details about the alleged robbery, saying more information would be released later.

Jackson provided few other details about Wilson at the news conference and did not take any questions. Jackson said Swisher Sweets cigars were stolen in the robbery. He was suspected of stealing a $48.99 box of cigars.

According to the police reports, Brown and his friend, Dorian Johnson, were suspected of taking a box of cigars from a store in Ferguson that morning.

Film at 11.....

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/15/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

A few things to think about in this article.
1 - Do we believe that Brown really did just perform a "strong-arm robbery" (also known as unarmed robbery) of a box of swisher sweets before being shot by the cops?
2 - Should that matter? The cop was not at the robbery, but responding to a call. He did not positively ID Brown until after he had shot him. Kind of defeats the point of a justice system if you kill the suspect before determining if you got the right guy.
3 - The difference in reports of the protest when they replaced the heavily armed cops with highway patrol is striking. It shows you just how much a negative impact having cops in full war-gear has on a situation.

Bassturd!

Is there a part of Missouri that isn't?

I'm afraid so.


What facts would you like proven that change might alter any outcome, actions, emotions, societal state, etc.?

Except, of course, as I said, the facts about exactly what happened when the cop shot the guy.

Right or wrong, perceptions trump truth in nearly every aspect of this story.

Well that's his perception and we all know perception trumps truth so that pretty much makes it a fact.

Now eyewitness video has been posted of people saying that after he ran away from the cop car, he did a 180 and "bum rushed the po-lice" . . .

^ because he was going down ^

Monday, 18 August 2014 00:00
Ferguson Shooting Shock: Witness Unwittingly Captured on Audio Corroborates Police Story

Written by Selwyn Duke


Ferguson Shooting Shock: Witness Unwittingly Captured on Audio Corroborates Police Story
While Christians, Yazidis, and other minorities are being slaughtered by the Islamic State jihadis in the most brutal of ways, the U.S. media has been obsessed with the Ferguson, Missouri, police’s shooting of teenager Mike Brown. It’s portrayed as an example of how black youth are unfairly targeted by mostly white law-enforcement agencies. But now an eyewitness conversation previously unnoticed in a video of the shooting’s aftermath has been brought to light — and it completely contradicts the media’s politically correct narrative.

The video was originally uploaded to YouTube by a user who bears the handle “BlackCanseco” and who appears to believe his footage buttresses the notion that Brown was shot while unarmed and holding his hands in the air. However, the previously unnoticed conversation — which starts at 6:28 and involves a black male eyewitness (#2) relating what had transpired to a curious onlooker (#1) — tells a different tale (presented as transcribed by ConservativeTreehouse.com ):

#1 How’d he get from there to there?

#2 Because he ran, the police was still in the truck — cause he was like over the truck

{crosstalk}

#2 But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran — the police got out and ran after him

{crosstalk}

#2 Then the next thing I know he doubled back toward him cus — the police had his gun drawn already on him —

#1. Oh, the police got his gun

#2 The police kept dumpin’ on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing — he like — be like — but he kept coming toward him

{crosstalk}

#2 Police fired shots — the next thing I know — the police was missing

#1 The Police?

#2 The Police shot him

#1 Police?

#2 The next thing I know ... I’m thinking ... the dude started running ... (garbled something about “he took it from him”)

This is significant because it’s evidence supporting the Ferguson Police’s account, which is that the officer in question, Darren Wilson, fired in self-defense while facing the prospect of grievous bodily harm. It also corroborates Wilson’s version of events, as related by a friend of his:

He [Officer Darren Wilson] pulled up ahead of them [Michael Brown and the other suspect]. And then he got a call-in that there was a strong-arm robbery, and they gave a description. And he’s looking at them, and they got something in their hands, and it looks like it could be what, you know, those cigars [stolen during the robbery] or whatever. So he goes in reverse back to them. Tries to get out of his car. They slam his door shut violently. I think he said Michael did. And then he opened the car again. He tried to get out. He stands up.

And then Michael just bum-rushes him and shoves him back into his car, punches him in the face, and them [sic] Darren grabs for his gun. Michael grabbed for the gun. At one point he got the gun entirely turned against his hip. And he shoves it away. And the gun goes off.

Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And Darren’s first protocol is to pursue, so he stands up and yells “Freeze!” Michael and his friend turn around, and Michael taunts him… And then all the sudden he [Brown] just started bum-rushing him; he just started coming at him full speed. And so he [Wilson] just started shooting. And he just kept coming. And so he [Wilson] really thinks he was on something.

What should one conclude? IJReview.com makes the following point :

It’s far too unlikely that these two accounts are similar accidentally, having been from such disparate sources. The seeming witness in the background conversation is speaking with detail about the tragic shooting, and in a manner that runs contrary to the widespread version. Those who watch the video need to judge for themselves if the witness sounds reliable (but he would seemingly have nothing to gain by telling such a story.) [sic]

IJReview.com also points out that if the toxicology report shows that Brown had taken something, that would explain why he might have rushed at an officer pointing a gun at him — and how he did so after being shot — it could help close the book on this story. (Having said this, personal anecdote: A man in my old neighborhood once became hysterical and tried to charge a gun-wielding criminal who wanted to steal his radio. He wasn’t on drugs, either. Lesson? Emotion is sometimes enough to inspire irrational acts {the man’s friends held him back, saving his life}).

The striking eyewitness audio follows the release of a video showing Brown involved in the strong-arm convenience-store robbery Wilson was dispatched to investigate.The U.S. Department of Justice had pressured the Ferguson Police not to release the convenience-store video.

Blacks account for 50 percent of all U.S. homicide victims, which translates into approximately 7000 black people being murdered each year . Ninety-four percent of the time the killer is another black person.

Maybe someone should copyright his name, and stuff . . .

But, MB didn't know that the cop didn't know. MB thought he was busted. Hence, why he fought back, and threw his 300 lbs, around.

35 feet from the cop and 35 feet from the cop car are 2 different things, aren't they? I hadn't heard the cop sheltered in place at his car and fired, I heard he pursued and then fired...

I don't know if they make one big enough...

Wouldn't be surprised. They probably have booths set-up just across the border too.

I'm guessing it's when you think your gonna get an ass whooping or worse... I kinda wondered why the cop didn't try to beat him down first but there's the going for the gun story... and the cop was outnumbered so that prolly came into play... I dunno tho.. I wasn't there....

I just saw a report that the officer suffered a fractured eye socket ...

Perhaps I'm asking too much, but didn't the officer have a partner with him? I haven't read any report of a partner involved, but it seems strange to me that a neighborhood like that the police would not be patrolling solo.

And a chili dog

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/08/ferguson-cops-busted-new-video-seems-show

Take this video with a grain of salt. I don't think it proves anything, but it does show some sort of transactional interaction between MB and the clerk. This would suggest the whole "MB performed a strong arm robbery" isn't necessarily the entire truth. The author of the article is too eager to jump to conclusions (just as everyone on the other side is)... someone put stuff back on the counter, not exactly what you'd do if you were just going to steal stuff. The fact that the store didn't report anything could just be that there wasn't much of value taken and they didn't want the hassle, but I haven't heard anything from the convenience store actually confirming there was a robbery (it was a woman customer who called it in because of an altercation between them).