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DrafterX Offline
#301 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:45 AM EST
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Anti-nazis got twisted into the anti-statue crowd.. those are who I'm against.. I don't hate the anti-nazis... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#302 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:52 AM EST
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I just don't get the relevance Macs. It's nothing more than a yea but to me.

Admittedly I didn't read the article so apologize for the brown part. I made an assumption and am wrong for doing so. I don't even know the color of the shooter.

But Chicago does get tossed into the ring fairly frequently as a focus on this not that method. And the this is what the black folk are doing to themselves.
gummy jones Offline
#303 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:56 AM EST
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nazi = bad
anti nazi = good
that is pretty simple

but the reality is not that simple
antifa is now the violent, political arm of the far left

if they only showed up when the knuckle draggers showed up i wouldnt have a problem (assuming it was all peaceful of course)
bgz Offline
#304 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:57 AM EST
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I like how it's always so black and white with some people. If you're not appalled by WS protesting, then you're a sympathizer and probably a KKK member, what a load of sh1t, get off your high horse.

WS with a permit and lawfully protesting something stupid (no matter how stupid it is)... I'm good with.
The Antifa fascist organization (ironic isn't it) protesting with a permit or otherwise keeping it legal... I'm good with.
Them showing up with bats and crowbars and stuff threatening violence? Not so much (they probably weren't legal)..

Some deranged fk getting in his entry level Challenger ramming through said protesters (who were probably not being lawful)... not good with it, would have been epic if he did it in a hellcat... but base model, not so much. Don't get me wrong, it would still be bad, and I would still be like, what a dk and not be cool with it... but come on, admit it, would have been pretty epic if he did it in a hellcat.

Ripping down a statue and destroying property that does not belong to you? Not cool with.

The message is irrelevant... if you make exceptions to the law for the lawless because you agree with their beliefs, then you are an anarchist.

It takes greater courage to support the rights of those you despise.
MACS Offline
#305 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 12:09 PM EST
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Teedub - You see things how you want. I'm not supporting nazi's. I don't condone the idiot who rammed his car into people and killed and injured them. I don't support any of their ideas or ideology. I think they're hate-mongering ass holes just like most people.

There is no, 'yea but'. They were legally protesting. Let them. In fact, let them and ignore them. Don't give the idiots a second thought.

The counter protest should have been allowed as well... in a different area, or on a different day. The authorities should have done better in keeping them apart.

We have an epidemic in Chicago, Baltimore, and Detroit... killings that happen daily. We focus on this one incident because it is divisive. What needs to be addressed more, some hate-filled idiots who were demonstrating or gangs actually killing each other and terrorizing their own neighborhoods daily?
dstieger Offline
#306 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 12:18 PM EST
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MACS wrote:


The counter protest should have been allowed as well... in a different area, or on a different day. The authorities should have done better in keeping them apart.



I haven't dug into it....or seen in-depth, verified reporting...but I did hear VA Gov, and VA Atty Gen both say that local authorities did attempt to change venue to allow for better protection, segregation, etc. But a lawsuit was won allowing the protest to occur downtown where they requested to have it. State tried to move it to a large park they could adequately police, but were thwarted by courts
teedubbya Offline
#307 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 12:24 PM EST
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But we do focus on the Chicago issue etc. daily im actually working on it professionally. I am sensative to the false narrative. To continually throw it out in threads like this one is a tactic. Maybe not intentionally by you but it is a yea but tactic. It's almost always used to say don't worry about what others are doing to them look what they are doing to themselves. Welfare too. Have the discussion.... fine. But where and when it is placed is telling even if not intentionally done that way. It's mimicked at times without much thought. It's not an attempt to address something it's a tool.

Bgz I agree with much of what you said. I think in this instance factually some of it may not have been established (like who crossed the legal line and when) but I take no issue playing it down the middle to an extent. I can appreciate your fencepost.

But many are selective when doing so and I've already given examples. And when you are then the message is relevant. If you consistently are not selective I can buy your logic.
teedubbya Offline
#308 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 12:29 PM EST
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And I am biased. I have no sympathy for the kkk or nazis. No more than I do for alquaeda (so) or Isis. I have nothing against white folk, brown folk, Christian's or Muslims though. Just their zealots.
bgz Offline
#309 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 12:34 PM EST
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I try to stay pretty consistent (I think if you dug through my posts, you would probably find that I am).

Anyway, like the nick name. bzzzZzzZzZzZz
DrafterX Offline
#310 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 12:37 PM EST
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When protesters, angry over the deadly incidents in Virginia this weekend, decided to take down a nearly century-old statue of a Confederate soldier in North Carolina on Monday, law enforcement stood back and watched.

At no time did officers with the Durham Police Department or deputies with the Durham County Sheriff’s Office intervene as activists brought a ladder up to the statue and used a rope to pull it down, according to multiple media reports.

No one was arrested Monday, however, a day later, Durham County Sheriff Mike Andrews announced investigators were working to identify the protesters and planned to bring criminal charges against them.

“We decided that restraint and public safety would be our priority,” Andrews said in a statement posted on his agency's website. “As the Sheriff, I am not blind to the offensive conduct of some demonstrators nor will I ignore their criminal conduct.”

He continued: “My deputies showed great restraint and respect for the constitutional rights of the group expressing their anger and disgust for recent events in our country. Racism and incivility have no place in our country or Durham.”

Calls seeking additional comment were not immediately returned Tuesday.

The Confederate Soldiers Monument in Durham was dedicated in 1924 and shows a soldier holding a rifle. After it came down, a diverse crowd of dozens cheered, and some even began kicking the crumpled bronze monument.

Some took pictures standing or sitting on the toppled soldier, in front of a pedestal inscribed with the words: "In Memory of the Boys Who Wore The Gray.”

Justice at 11... Mellow



and this wasn't even a statue of a specific evil slave owner general or anything... Not talking
teedubbya Offline
#311 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 12:47 PM EST
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Drafter is sure obsessed with statues.
teedubbya Offline
#312 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 12:50 PM EST
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Admittedly I'm having the same issue I point out in others.

I tend to be more focused on the hate speach etc of the white supremacists etc and the violence/murder than I am the vandalism.

It is telling about where I stand. Both are wrong, so I accept everyone in here knows the kkk or nazi stuff is sort of bad. It's just I do find one more repulsive than the other which is why I fixate more one way.

I guess I'm not on the post.
delta1 Offline
#313 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 12:51 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
I try to stay pretty consistent (I think if you dug through my posts, you would probably find that I am).

Anyway, like the nick name. bzzzZzzZzZzZz



ohhhh...I thought you were a fan of the Brothers Gibb...somebody help me, I'm stayin alive...
teedubbya Offline
#314 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 12:54 PM EST
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Auto correct that I deleted.

Bisexual Gorrila Zoologist
delta1 Offline
#315 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 1:17 PM EST
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If we're doing mea culpas...I apologize (burner, hope you read this) for implying that all Trump supporters and conservatives are Neo Nazi racists...I personally know many Trump supporters and conservatives, and they are not... I can actually sit down, talk with, and share food, drink and smoke with them. I've been to Florida and enjoyed the hospitality and friendliness of the people there. I consider abrignac, from LA, the South, a fine man and a friend.


I give Trump credit for actually doing something that has motivated members of both parties to unite and stand together...


...another thing: are the people who argue that America is justified for its shameful treatment of native Americans, including forcing them into segregation in barren lands and destruction of sacred ground, because they won and the Indians lost...are there any of them who express outrage that statues of leaders of the South in the Civil War, not sacred ground, statues, are being removed...Opel's point about the Falcons summed it up best...choosing one's lovable losers in history seems hypocritical...

...How would many Americans feel if any Japanese Hawaiians don the Rising Son and military regalia of the Emperor and in a celebratory fashion, re-enact the attack at Pearl Harbor...
DrafterX Offline
#316 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 1:19 PM EST
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that would be gay... Mellow
bgz Offline
#317 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 1:20 PM EST
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Hey, don't hate on the bisexual gorillas man, after all, they're big hairy primates just like you.
teedubbya Offline
#318 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 1:21 PM EST
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Who said anything negative?
delta1 Offline
#319 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 1:23 PM EST
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...hmmmm...didn't know Jane swung both ways...
bgz Offline
#320 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 1:27 PM EST
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Delta, I've had arguments on both sides of the Natives battle.

My Mom and I would have conversations about that when I was younger (she's a full blooded Sioux), and I proposed the scenario to her of the Indians advancing and crossing the pond first. My argument was, it would be the same sh17, different side of the lake.

She said, but natives were peaceful, so it would have been different. I was like, tell that to the Crows :)
DrafterX Offline
#321 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 1:28 PM EST
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but as far as reenactments go, I've been to alot.. my son has been a reenactor since he was 16 I think... he went to Gettysburg a couple years ago and pretty much everywhere in between here and there... it's history.. he loves it.. sometimes anyways.. he's a Union Soldier btw.. 10th Kansas is his unit I think.. they wear green shirts for some reason.. Think
dstieger Offline
#322 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 1:29 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
...How would many Americans feel if any Japanese Hawaiians don the Rising Son and military regalia of the Emperor and in a celebratory fashion, re-enact the attack at Pearl Harbor...


taking this back off the tracks for a sec...but ^ will never happen....but your question brought to mind a contrast that was seared into my brain decades ago....

When I was first at the Arizona memorial, I was rather surprised by the numbers of Japanese there. Felt a little weird, but at least every single one of them was quiet, pensive, head bowed, respectful.

Later that same year, I was in the Nagasaki Atomic Bomb Museum and I was appalled enough at the loud, laughing, gloating even, by some young Americans that I pulled them aside and chewed them out....I'm still disgusted when I recall it
delta1 Offline
#323 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 1:35 PM EST
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Prolly can't find the right color of dye...maybe cheaper? Or maybe the Kansan units wore green?
DrafterX Offline
#324 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 1:44 PM EST
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I think they were Irish or somethin... Mellow
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#325 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 1:47 PM EST
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gross...
DrafterX Offline
#326 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 2:11 PM EST
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did ya step in somethin..?? Huh
gummy jones Offline
#327 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 3:01 PM EST
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So we are all hugging it out now?
Lame.
MACS Offline
#328 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 3:11 PM EST
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http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/08/14/donald-trump-charlottesville-jesse-watters-blasts-left-hypocrisy-aclu-police

Interesting take.
bgz Offline
#329 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 3:12 PM EST
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Pick a position puffy jones, I'll battle with you
dstieger Offline
#330 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 3:16 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/08/14/donald-trump-charlottesville-jesse-watters-blasts-left-hypocrisy-aclu-police

Interesting take.



It was interesting in February....but hearing Jesse say "the left media unfarily hates Trump" every single day stops getting interesting pretty quick
teedubbya Offline
#331 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 3:19 PM EST
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Trump is a pos.
DrafterX Offline
#332 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 3:20 PM EST
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House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi is asking the National Park Service to reconsider a permit for what she called a “white supremacist rally” set for late August in San Francisco, in the wake of last weekend’s clashes in Charlottesville, Va.

“The NPS should reevaluate its decision and its capacity to protect the public during such a toxic rally,” Pelosi said in a statement.

A report in the San Francisco Examiner said the rally by the pro-Trump group Patriot Prayer is slated for Aug. 26 at San Francisco’s Crissy Field. The leader of that group has held other rallies and recently spoken out against white supremacy views, though critics like Pelosi have linked the group to white nationalists.

Pelosi, well before Tuesday’s statement, has been harshly critical of the Trump administration’s response to Charlottesville, where a protester demonstrating against a white supremacist rally was killed in a car attack. President Trump took heat for initially faulting violence on “many sides” though he specifically condemned white supremacists and neo-Nazis on Monday.

Pelosi, in her statement, questioned whether the permit decision for the rally in San Francisco was made with input from the White House – without offering any proof to back up the suggestion.

Fox News has reached out to the NPS for comment.

The Golden Gate National Recreation Area, which oversees the parkland, reportedly said Patriot Prayer has obtained permits.

The San Francisco Examiner report said counter-protests are being organized, as officials voiced concerns U.S. Park Police might not have enough staff to handle clashes at Crissy Field.

“San Francisco takes great pride in being a city of peace which cherishes free speech and the right to public dissent,” Pelosi said. “However, the National Park Service’s decision to permit a white supremacist rally at Crissy Field raises grave and ongoing concerns about public safety.”

Film at 11.... Mellow



gotta make sure everything is Trumps fault.... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#333 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 3:23 PM EST
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Trump needs no help with that
DrafterX Offline
#334 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 3:25 PM EST
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Do you believe Trump told the Park Service to give them a permit..?? How the hell did she even think that up..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#335 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 3:26 PM EST
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I don't care about that story. I just watched trumps press conference and am simply going by his words.

He is a pos.
DrafterX Offline
#336 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 3:27 PM EST
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What'd he say..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#337 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 3:27 PM EST
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At least he made it clear he didn't mean his prepared statement.
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#338 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 3:28 PM EST
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I was about to google 'Patriot Prayer' to see about their supremacist pedigree, but based on the other article about the feds getting ip's and all...I thought better of it
teedubbya Offline
#339 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 3:28 PM EST
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Not much different than some in here to be honest. I get why he's liked so well in here.
DrafterX Offline
#340 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 3:29 PM EST
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He's not Hillary... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#341 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 3:29 PM EST
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I am completely ashamed and embarrassed by our President.
DrafterX Offline
#342 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 3:31 PM EST
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been there... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#343 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 3:32 PM EST
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Here and now. Never seen anything like this clown.
Hank_The_Tank Offline
#344 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 3:33 PM EST
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Why can't everyone just get in a circle, get your reach around in and get along?
DrafterX Offline
#345 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 3:33 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Here and now. Never seen anything like this clown.



yep.. I used to say the same thing.. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#346 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 3:34 PM EST
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Freaks

I though obama was bad. This is pure pos crazy.
MACS Offline
#347 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 3:35 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
It was interesting in February....but hearing Jesse say "the left media unfarily hates Trump" every single day stops getting interesting pretty quick


The hypocrisy is real. Doesn't matter who says it, or when he says it.
teedubbya Offline
#348 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 3:37 PM EST
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I wonder what the over under is on general Kelly leaving.

I also wonder what the line is on the next chief of staff being Steven Miller.
dstieger Offline
#349 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 3:38 PM EST
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I liked Jesse....his street stuff is very entertaining. And, he's obviously very smart...and pretty witty most of the time. I agree with what he says much of the time....but he'd get a bit more respect from me if he could just get Trump's ****** out of his mouth for a few days....I get that he's outraged over the incessant negative coverage....I am too, frankly...but his whining has gotten on my nerves
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#350 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 3:40 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:

I though obama was bad. This is pure pos crazy.



ya, but at least he's American... Mellow








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