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teedubbya Offline
#251 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 10:42 AM EST
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Jews too.
teedubbya Offline
#252 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 10:45 AM EST
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I honestly think some have a kernel of kinship with the white supremacists groups no matter how small that won't allow them to focus on what they are what they do and what they spew without all the yea buts....
DrafterX Offline
#253 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 10:46 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Hey drafter.... yes. I assume that will happen. It's nice that's the side you tend to focus your concern on however. Among others in here.



fine... i'm not gonna pay for my lunch today... Not talking
opelmanta1900 Offline
#254 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 10:47 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I disagree Opel. Vandalism is vandalism and law is law.

It's interesting the focus on that law vs something like murder however.

I actually disagree too... I support the removal of the statues in a lawful way...
teedubbya Offline
#255 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 10:47 AM EST
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I've been worried about the mainstreaming of some of their messages for over decade. What they used to have to hide they no longer do and some of their messaging is all around us.

It definitely got worse under obama and blame can be shared.

Times have changed. At least it's in the open I guess.
teedubbya Offline
#256 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 10:48 AM EST
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Drafter I said it should be prosecuted. I was just pointing out that seems a bigger deal to you than other crimes for some reason.
DrafterX Offline
#257 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 10:50 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I honestly think some have a kernel of kinship with the white supremacists groups no matter how small that won't allow them to focus on what they are what they do and what they spew without all the yea buts....




that may have something to do with the 'If you voted for Trump you're a White Supremacist' thing.. it's become if we don't agree that taking the law into our own hands is the only solution then you're a WS... nobody like the Nazis.. but I don't like the vandals either.. there was a better way... Mellow
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#258 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 10:52 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Drafter I said it should be prosecuted. I was just pointing out that seems a bigger deal to you than other crimes for some reason.



the Nazis demonstrated.. that's wasn't a crime... it was a damn shame but not a crime... not if there is something specific they have done recently then let's condemn it together... but holding these guys responsible for something their father or grandfather did isn't right either...


damn I sound like I'm defending them again.. d'oh!
opelmanta1900 Offline
#259 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 10:52 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
that may have something to do with the 'If you voted for Trump you're a White Supremacist' thing.. it's become if we don't agree that taking the law into our own hands is the only solution then you're a WS... nobody like the Nazis.. but I don't like the vandals either.. there was a better way... Mellow

a better way to kill millions of jews or a better way to remove a statue?


seems kinda stupid I would have to ask which one you mean, but then you are the one talking about them like they're the same level of atrocious...
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#260 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 10:53 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
So by burners logic TW is the same as the kkk...




Off target again Vic.
gummy jones Offline
#261 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 10:53 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I'll assume you'll be joining us in there? or are we just ignoring the plank in our own eye?


which us are you a part of? feel free to not include me in your dichotomy.

while we all have faults i would reckon the overtly and outwardly terroristic, racist, etc folks are a bigger threat to society than those of us who struggle internally with pride or covetousness, etc.

while we all fall short of the glory of God and in need of a Savior we are not all ms13.
teedubbya Offline
#262 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 10:55 AM EST
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They killed someone

The westboro folks demonstrate too. Go back and read your take on them and what can and should happen (including vandalism)

Trump has nothing to do with thus in my mind other than they really are part of his base but it's strange it's used as a a justification here.
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#263 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 10:56 AM EST
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gummy jones wrote:
which us are you a part of? feel free to not include me in your dichotomy.

while we all have faults i would reckon the overtly and outwardly terroristic, racist, etc folks are a bigger threat to society than those of us who struggle internally with pride or covetousness, etc.

true... but probably not a bigger threat than those advocating the forced exctinction of those who disagree with them...

"as far as im concerned dump them all into the superdome with the westboro folks, a bunch of our political oligarchs, blm/panthers, domestic isis, ms13, etc and let them fight it out. when the winner is crowned, collapse the superdome and set the rubble ablaze."

of course, if you wanna explain how that's just "pride or covetousness" I'm all ears... otherwise, back in the dome with you...
teedubbya Offline
#264 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 10:56 AM EST
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262 for drafter.
gummy jones Offline
#265 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 10:57 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I've been worried about the mainstreaming of some of their messages for over decade. What they used to have to hide they no longer do and some of their messaging is all around us.

It definitely got worse under obama and blame can be shared.

Times have changed. At least it's in the open I guess.


exactly
who, by percentage, really cares what david duke has to say?
a fraction of a percentage?
i didnt even know who that guy was until they were talking about him on the news.
yet msm interviews him and, in doing so, legitimizes his foolishness.
social media has aided in this as well.
gummy jones Offline
#266 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 10:57 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
true... but probably not a bigger threat than those advocating the forced exctinction of those who disagree with them...

"as far as im concerned dump them all into the superdome with the westboro folks, a bunch of our political oligarchs, blm/panthers, domestic isis, ms13, etc and let them fight it out. when the winner is crowned, collapse the superdome and set the rubble ablaze."

of course, if you wanna explain how that's just "pride or covetousness" I'm all ears... otherwise, back in the dome with you...


hyperbole
welcome to the internet
weve been expecting you
teedubbya Offline
#267 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 10:59 AM EST
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I'll help you drafter. You were all about obstructing the legally protesting westboro folks and happy with vandalism including slashed tires etc if I remember right.

You didn't run to their defense or create some false equivalence I presume because you were appalled by them less than you are nazis or kkk.
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#268 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:01 AM EST
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the dude that killed someone is in jail and will prolly hang.... good... eye for an eye I say.. but to me it doesn't give anyone the right to start breaking chit... that's no different than looting a store and burn it down because someone tried to hurt a cop and got shot... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#269 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:02 AM EST
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Gummy you actually missed my point. I remember when the news was the only place you heard that nonsense and saw the symbolism. And it was appalling.

Now it's more mainstream and you don't need the news. I'm all for the news shining the antesceptic of sunlight.

Walking in to the gun shows I frequent and seeing white supremacists crap everywhere is unsettling and sad.

Seeing the minimization of the issue in here is sad too.
teedubbya Offline
#270 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:03 AM EST
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It does not give anyone the right to break the law drafter. It's just interesting that's your focus.
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#271 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:04 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I'll help you drafter. You were all about obstructing the legally protesting westboro folks and happy with vandalism including slashed tires etc if I remember right.

You didn't run to their defense or create some false equivalence I presume because you were appalled by them less than you are nazis or kkk.



yes, somebody slashed some tires.. it wasn't a group effort and if the cops had seen who did it they prolly woulda been arrested...
Mellow
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#272 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:05 AM EST
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I think they should put up a statue of Michael Vick strangling a puppy in the place where the Confederate soldier was.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#273 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:05 AM EST
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gummy jones wrote:
hyperbole
welcome to the internet
weve been expecting you

if you don't wanna stand by what you say, it's fine... I bet all those anti-kkk protesters with bats and clubs and stuff weren't really gonna use them... probably just like physical hyberbole...
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#274 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:07 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
It does not give anyone the right to break the law drafter. It's just interesting that's your focus.




it's not my only focus.. but it's there.. I'm not going to applaud their acts because I don't agree with removing history.. and that has been my stance long before this past weekend... like I stated earlier, it's a damn shame the Nazis even got involved.. they didn't help matters at all... Mellow
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#275 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:08 AM EST
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
I think they should put up a statue of Michael Vick strangling a puppy in the place where the Confederate soldier was.

I'd be ok with it if they put the puppy in a confederate uniform...
teedubbya Offline
#276 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:08 AM EST
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Drafter it was a group effort I assure you and usually the cops turn a blind eye. It was pre planned and recurrent.

You just sympathize more with one group than another or maybe better said are more appalled about one group than another.

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#277 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:08 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
if you don't wanna stand by what you say, it's fine... I bet all those anti-kkk protesters with bats and clubs and stuff weren't really gonna use them... probably just like physical hyberbole...


lol whatever
troll somewhere else
opelmanta1900 Offline
#278 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:09 AM EST
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no
teedubbya Offline
#279 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:09 AM EST
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But it is your focus drafter. It's part of the yea but and it continues.

The vandals are not in the same league with the nazis and kkk etc.
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#280 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:12 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Drafter it was a group effort I assure you and usually the cops turn a blind eye. It was pre planned and recurrent.

You just sympathize more with one group than another or maybe better said are more appalled about one group than another.





If the anti-Nazis (or Democrats) had shown up to just kick some ass at a riot fine... no problem here... it's the removing of stuff I don't think should be removed... nothing more... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#281 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:12 AM EST
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By the way if a state or locality wants to remove the statue for whatever reason isn't that ok. So when you say it's a shame the nazis had to get involved at all why exactly did they have to get involved?

Or is States rights only applicable when protecting slavery?
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#282 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:13 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
But it is your focus drafter. It's part of the yea but and it continues.

The vandals are not in the same league with the nazis and kkk etc.



well let them break some windows or burns some police cars... I wouldn't care... leave our history alone... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#283 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:13 AM EST
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What did the anti nazis remove in charllotsville?
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#284 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:13 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Gummy you actually missed my point. I remember when the news was the only place you heard that nonsense and saw the symbolism. And it was appalling.

Now it's more mainstream and you don't need the news. I'm all for the news shining the antesceptic of sunlight.

Walking in to the gun shows I frequent and seeing white supremacists crap everywhere is unsettling and sad.

Seeing the minimization of the issue in here is sad too.


i dont think these folks should be aided in having a platform
with social media some of that is unavoidable

my experience has been different
i live in a poor white place and i dont really see or hear about this stuff other than on the major news stations sometimes
most people are just trying to find a job and make ends meet or strung out on h
maybe we run in different crowds or have different exposures? (not meant as a put down)
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#285 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:14 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
no


good response
actually made me lol
Applause
teedubbya Offline
#286 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:16 AM EST
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I'm not for removing statues any more than when Ashcroft covered the statue boobies in DC. But the logic seems to be all over the place.

I hate nazis and the kkk, there is no rationalizing or minimizing them. No yea buts and they are a cancer that didn't "have to" do anything.
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#287 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:16 AM EST
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they didn't even have to show up.. the statue there was coming down anyway.. but they set a precedent that gave all the other anti-statue people a green light to break the law... Mellow
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#288 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:18 AM EST
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the anti-nazis aren't really what I'm criticizing.. it's the anti-statue law breaking bassards.. Mellow
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#289 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:18 AM EST
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gummy jones wrote:
good response
actually made me lol
Applause

I poop where I eat... saves a ton of time...
teedubbya Offline
#290 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:19 AM EST
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Understand gummy. I'm not much for having the news not cover things. If done right it's just information. What you do with it is up to you.

look around you. You can see it if you want. Some subtle some not so much.

But yes the RK gun shows are getting bad. Mostly the prepper crowd.
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#291 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:20 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Understand gummy. I'm not much for having the news not cover things. If done right it's just information. What you do with it is up to you.

look around you. You can see it if you want. Some subtle some not so much.

But yes the RK gun shows are getting bad. Mostly the prepper crowd.


im all for the news exposing things but "news" nowadays means endless spin and sensationalization (if thats a word).
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#292 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:21 AM EST
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But your timeline is off drafter. The statue breaking came later and a different place.

The focus clearly has been in anything but the nazis. Sometimes it's hidden by "well that's a given"

Horse ****.
teedubbya Offline
#293 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:21 AM EST
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Yea but
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#294 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:22 AM EST
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how many of the anti-nazi crowd gave a chit about the statue and were just there to smack some Nazis around..?? This is why I'm saying the Nazis didn't help the 'Tear down history Resistance'. Mellow
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#295 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:25 AM EST
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It's too bad they had to be the ones drafter

Gummy that spun has always been there. But I'm not talking about the press. I'm talking mainstream everyday folks. Even in here.

What was once taboo no longer is and it's a good thing the pc or coexist crowd is getting what comes to them.

You (not anyone in here) can wear an iron cross and have a nazi flag legally if you like. But it saddens me that anyone I know would accept that.
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#296 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:25 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
Hey Mattie!
Is this the new 500?


HA!


give that man the thread of the month award.... it's not redemption but he did something right and that's at least noteworthy...
teedubbya Offline
#297 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:27 AM EST
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Ok I'm done for awhile.

Nazis bad, groups opposing them equally or more bad. Got it.
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#298 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:32 AM EST
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Illinois Nazis are the worst.
teedubbya Offline
#299 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:34 AM EST
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I hate Illinois Nazis

But people protesting them are equally bad or worse and likely the ones that started it.

And don't even get me started in jake and Elwood
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#300 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2017, 11:43 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Hey mac I have a few more from around here against Muslims and brown people. Is that the game?


You think people being shot going to church is a game? We have a single incident in VA and it's non-stop coverage. Meanwhile, it's business as usual in Chicago and the slightest of coverage.

FYI - it was black folks going to church that got shot. So it was against 'brown people', as you put it.
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