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#751 Posted:
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we aren't talking about criminal investigations. We're talking about whether you want to give someone a job of judge. If you don't give them that job, their life is in no way damaged. therefore different burden of proof...

whether you're going to give someone a job (any job anywhere along kavanaughs career path) should have a lot more in common with whether you would hang aroudn someone than a criminal proceeding. If there are enough rumors about tehir behavior, a smart person would stay away

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#752 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Finally an adult not digging in to either side based on the game alone. The Dems used this as an ambush and the reps wanted to slam this through without investigating or caring if he sexually assisted someone due to their understandable anger. No even a cursory investigation has not been done. Not even basic interviews of potential witnesses.

All I wanted was a fairly quick looksie by the fbi with interviews under oath. Then vote. If there is nothing more than we have today after the investigation confirm him. If he lied about anything can him. If anyone else lied prosecute.

Thank you Sen. Flake.


hehehe


is that like a service animal or something? :)
teedubbya Offline
#753 Posted:
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If this was a normal job interview we would have moved past him long ago. But it’s not and bare knuckle politics is definitely in play by both sides.

It’s just funny to see some in here get caught up in it and find it logical.
DrafterX Offline
#754 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Hearing distant lock her up chants while reading this.



There is proof.. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#755 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
There is proof.. Mellow



Not really you are just a selective hippo crypt and stuff.
Mr. Jones Offline
#756 Posted:
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I CANNOT BELIEVE THESE G.O.P. senators WANT THE
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATIONS....

A.N.Y.W.H.E.R.E.

NEAR THIS COLOSSAL CLUSTER F**K SCOTUS HEARING...

THE FBI HAS WAY LESS THAN 33 % 1/3 HONEST LAW ABIDING emploYees IN THAT ENTIRE ORGANIZATION....

I KNOW THAT FOR 100% FACT...

THEY GANGSTALKED ME SINCE 2013...the FBI-SSG DIVISION RELENTLESSLY, ILLEGALLY AND TRIED TO MURDER ME over 8 different times.....

Calling the FBI "LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS " IS A TOTAL JOKE... 66 2/3's % of them ARE seasoned FELON sadistic CRIMINALS...

THE FBI is owned by the D.N.C....

THEY will find any republican SCOTUS guilty of any trumped up charge they can find...
DrafterX Offline
#757 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Not really you are just a selective hippo crypt and stuff.



You're a proof denier.. Shame on you
teedubbya Offline
#758 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
You're a proof denier.. Shame on you


You can’t handle the proof
delta1 Offline
#759 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Not really you are just a selective hippo crypt and stuff.



naw, I've met him and he's not THAT big...
delta1 Offline
#760 Posted:
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we should have Mr. Jones do Kavanaugh's next back-ground ...Jonesy may've found a red flag...


Mr. Jones wrote:
Kavanaugh used to enjoy a fine "Devils Triangle"
And "boofing" when he was at Georgetown PREP....


"BEER...EVERYBODY DRANK BEER...I LIKE BEER...WE ALL DRANK BEER...I DRANK BEER ON THE WEEKENDS...
I STILL DRINK BEER...I AM B.R.E.T.T. da' beer drinker...
Why am I here...I need a beer...lets go drink sum beers.."
MACS Offline
#761 Posted:
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Criminal case: Beyond a reasonable doubt

Civil case: preponderance of the evidence. (which asks is it more likely that it did, or did not, occur)

Based on everything presented, no reasonable person could say that it is more likely the allegation occurred. In fact, the "preponderance of the evidence" in this instance would favor Kavanaugh.
delta1 Offline
#762 Posted:
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this is not a criminal case, nor is it a civil case. It is a process to determine whether the nominee is suitable for appointment to the highest court of our nation. The "test" is whether the nominee possesses the attributes of a justice of SCOTUS...more an "eye" "ear" and "instinct" evaluation. His demeanor in answering the questions matters as much as the substance of his answers.

You've sat on hundreds of job interviews ...has any candidate ever behaved as Judge Kavanaugh did during his testimony yesterday, showing contempt for the hiring process, disrespect any member of the hiring panel, refusing to answer basic questions and interrogate members of the panel, and got the job?
MACS Offline
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^I understand that. The guy has worked on the highest appeals courts for awhile, and surely is qualified. An allegation that would get thrown out of civil court (based on the evidence presented) should not deter his confirmation, IMO.

Admit it. If he was a liberal and nominated by a democrat, the dems would be screaming bloody fkn murder if the repubs held up a confirmation based on this flimsy ass bullshiite.

Think about it reasonably for a damn second. The 4 people she said would corroborate have all failed to do so. Why is she more believable than he is? And after 36 years... this all boils down to he said/she said. There will be ZERO evidence presented after an investigation.
DrafterX Offline
#764 Posted:
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Ya..!! Mad
HuckFinn Offline
#765 Posted:
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Someone's lying.
So someone is (hypothetically) risking jail time.

What does Ford have to gain by all of this?

It's clear what kavanaugh has to gain.

Kavanaugh has openly in legal circles and very loudly expressed opposing indicting a sitting president.
Doesnt it seem logical tbat that's part of the reason why Donald chose him? I think so.

I haven't watched the hearings so I don't know if they ever asked him about his past 'indictment' position. Have they?
It is kind of refreshing that Trump hasn't twittered this to death and instead has taken a bit of a hands-off approach.
I should probably be suspicious...

The whole spectacle is just really bad theatre. All this talk of confirming a scotus not being political.
Nonsense. It's always been political, but because of the civil war we're in it's a bloody mess..

How can where we're at and headed end well? Where have you gone Joe Dimaggio....?

Donald declared recently that the world respects us now more now than ever before.

Really??
DrafterX Offline
#766 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:


Kavanaugh has openly in legal circles and very loudly expressed opposing indicting a sitting president.
Doesnt it seem logical tbat that's part of the reason why Donald chose him? I think so.



Oh ya, when and where and to who..?? Cause all I've heard is Congress would have to change the law and if they did he would enforce it... He doesn't have the power to stop anything right now...
But it sounds good if you're trying to stir up chit I guess... Mellow
dstieger Offline
#767 Posted:
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http://digg.com/2018/brett-kavanaugh-pulp-fiction
DrafterX Offline
#768 Posted:
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Laugh
opelmanta1900 Offline
#769 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
Someone's lying.
So someone is (hypothetically) risking jail time.

What does Ford have to gain by all of this?

It's clear what kavanaugh has to gain.

Kavanaugh has openly in legal circles and very loudly expressed opposing indicting a sitting president.
Doesnt it seem logical tbat that's part of the reason why Donald chose him? I think so.

I haven't watched the hearings so I don't know if they ever asked him about his past 'indictment' position. Have they?
It is kind of refreshing that Trump hasn't twittered this to death and instead has taken a bit of a hands-off approach.
I should probably be suspicious...

The whole spectacle is just really bad theatre. All this talk of confirming a scotus not being political.
Nonsense. It's always been political, but because of the civil war we're in it's a bloody mess..

How can where we're at and headed end well? Where have you gone Joe Dimaggio....?

Donald declared recently that the world respects us now more now than ever before.

Really??


I heard he was gonna legalize rape...Think
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#770 Posted:
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Yeah she has nothing to gain. She doesn’t have certain views or work for a company that might be inclined against his possible views.
zitotczito Offline
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delta1 wrote:
this is not a criminal case, nor is it a civil case. It is a process to determine whether the nominee is suitable for appointment to the highest court of our nation. The "test" is whether the nominee possesses the attributes of a justice of SCOTUS...more an "eye" "ear" and "instinct" evaluation. His demeanor in answering the questions matters as much as the substance of his answers.

You've sat on hundreds of job interviews ...has any candidate ever behaved as Judge Kavanaugh did during his testimony yesterday, showing contempt for the hiring process, disrespect any member of the hiring panel, refusing to answer basic questions and interrogate members of the panel, and got the job?



Well I can say that I have sat for many job interviews and I can't recall any of them where I was accused of sexual misconduct or being a serial rapist with no evidence so I can't say how I would react.
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DrafterX wrote:
Oh ya, when and where and to who..?? Cause all I've heard is Congress would have to change the law and if they did he would enforce it... He doesn't have the power to stop anything right now...
But it sounds good if you're trying to stir up chit I guess... Mellow


https://www.businessinsider.com/brett-kavanaugh-opinions-on-impeachment-and-indictment-2018-7


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/top-supreme-court-prospect-has-argued-presidents-should-not-be-distracted-by-investigations-and-lawsuits/2018/06/29/2dd9c1cc-7baa-11e8-80be-6d32e182a3bc_story.html?utm_term=.369230a36403


https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2018/07/11/brett-kavanaugh-president-indicted-709641

Really drafter?
DrafterX Offline
#773 Posted:
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That's basically what I said... He would uphold the law but it doesn't exist.. calling him a get out jail free card isn't accurate to any degree.. but like I said, it sounds good if you're trying to influence somebody.. Mellow
zitotczito Offline
#774 Posted:
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Using the standards that have been applied to Judge Kavanaugh and this era of the use of social media, I wonder if the younger generation realizes that they have already destroyed their lives and don't know it yet. Every post of actions during spring break may be used to show that you are a sloppy drunk and therefore guilty of any charge made against you. It doesn't matter that you only drank to much once. Your upstanding behavior after as an adult means nothing.

Before I retired, I used Facebook many times in my job to catch people in lies and prove that they were committing fraud. Before I would interview them I always checked their Facebook pages and they would actually post pictures of themselves in the act.

I fear that we have opened a can of worms where every stupid or dumb thing you have done or said as a teenager will come to haunt you. Please stand up and be counted if you are without sin and have never done or said something you regret.
HuckFinn Offline
#775 Posted:
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That's exactly why Trump selected kavanaugh. He's a get-out -of-jail-free card.

This is wheeler dealer Trump we're talking about here. Are you really that naive? Was a smart choice!

http://likethedew.com/2018/08/16/is-brett-kavanaugh-trumps-get-out-of-jail-free-card/#.W6-zHEwpBxA

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/dan-rodricks-blog/bs-md-rodricks-0711-story.html

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/404899-dem-strategist-kavanaugh-could-be-a-get-out-of-jail-free-card-for-trump

delta1 Offline
#776 Posted:
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Sober as a Judge. There's a reason that phrase has endured...

Judge Kavanaugh behaved as if he was auditioning, not for the highest bar in the country, but for a bar fight. If I'm going to a bar fight, I want that Brett on my side. But if I have a case up before the Supreme Court, I don't believe he would be impartial, based on his own words during his opening statement.
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#777 Posted:
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I knew growing up and in college that certain things would limit my future especially if planning to run for political office and high profile stuff. Even smoking weed used to be an automatic exclusion.

Now less things trip the reject button than used to. President p vssy grabber is proof of that. A potential black out sexual assault is not worth of investigation to some.

It’s worth a looksie then we need to move on if it indeed shows nothing.

I thought of running for office at one point and recognized my skeletons like most peoples would be an issue. It seems folks with more skeletons than I are getting more comfortable than less. I blame the extreme partisanship. The extreme partisanship used to be more in the realm of the politicians and we could scorn them. Now it’s reached the common folk.

Move away from your party at times and actually think.
delta1 Offline
#778 Posted:
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When I attended the police academy more than 30 years ago, I was aspiring for the job of law enforcement officer. Training staff would get in your face and accuse you of horrendous things, literally scream invectives at you. How a candidate reacted to that stress was a part of the evaluation process.

Like TW, I do have 40 plus years old skeletons in my closet, and I am sure they would disqualify me for many jobs. I would not pretend to have the intellect to be a justice of SCOTUS, but my behavior in my youth would rule that out.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#779 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I knew growing up and in college that certain things would limit my future especially if planning to run for political office and high profile stuff. Even smoking weed used to be an automatic exclusion.

Now less things trip the reject button than used to. President p vssy grabber is proof of that. A potential black out sexual assault is not worth of investigation to some.

It’s worth a looksie then we need to move on if it indeed shows nothing.

I thought of running for office at one point and recognized my skeletons like most peoples would be an issue. It seems folks with more skeletons than I are getting more comfortable than less. I blame the extreme partisanship. The extreme partisanship used to be more in the realm of the politicians and we could scorn them. Now it’s reached the common folk.

Move away from your party at times and actually think.




So you truly believe a person is more qualified to run for politics if they never made mistakes? Or Do you recognize that everyone makes mistakes and its just those more capable of hiding them that are deserving of elected office? Both are as retarded as rejecting people over marijuana use...
zitotczito Offline
#780 Posted:
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Way back when I had applied for a gun permit in MD and during my interview with the MD State Police, I was asked if I had ever used drugs of any kind. I replied that I had tried weed a few times. He looked at me in a surprised way and said very few people admit that. I responded that I was suppose to tell the truth was I not. He said thanks and approved my permit.
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#781 Posted:
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I’m not saying any of that Opel and agree weed should not be exclusionary. I’m actually saying less things are exclusionary than before.

But back then, during the just say no campaign, if you smoked weed you pretty well knew it was limiting.

And you should tell the truth and let it play out. I’ve done similar as you zito.

And not just about weed. If you drank to the point of pass out etc admit it. Boufing someone means what it is. Devil’s Triangle is not quarters etc.

No I do t think lying or hiding things better equate to more qualified. I hate liars. I do think he is lying about a lot of things which some think is ok if it’s in the name of self preservation. I don’t think it’s ok.

I still say confirm this dude if the investigation doesn’t show lies or assault.

I just don’t get the histrionics and desire not to look.
teedubbya Offline
#782 Posted:
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I have actually avoided situations where an honest answer would kill my actions. I self limited. I didn’t think I could lie and get away with it and knew some of my actions doomed some avenues for me.

I never felt entitled enough to think I could lie or be indignant to certain questions in certain scenarios.
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#783 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I’m not saying any of that Opel and agree weed should not be exclusionary. I’m actually saying less things are exclusionary than before.

But back then, during the just say no campaign, if you smoked weed you pretty well knew it was limiting.

And you should tell the truth and let it play out. I’ve done similar as you zito.

And not just about weed. If you drank to the point of pass out etc admit it. Boufing someone means what it is. Devil’s Triangle is not quarters etc.

No I do t think lying or hiding things better equate to more qualified. I hate liars. I do think he is lying about a lot of things which some think is ok if it’s in the name of self preservation. I don’t think it’s ok.

I still say confirm this dude if the investigation doesn’t show lies or assault.

I just don’t get the histrionics and desire not to look.


but is that a bad thing or progression? on the weed count, I would definitely say progression... people have figured out that it isnt as bad as they've been led to believe... maybe the same can be said about other things that used to disqualify people from certain jobs... like being divorced... or occasional cocaine use... or gangrape...
teedubbya Offline
#784 Posted:
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I didn’t place a value judgement on it. I just don’t think the yutes are doomed if this guy goes down.
HuckFinn Offline
#785 Posted:
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Then explain why Tesla stock plummeted after Musk smoked weed on live tv..

It's true though. The bar's been lowered. Double-edged thing.

But probably a good time for independent, thinking people to make themselves heard.

Maybe something good can come of all this chaos.

Run Lola Run (good movie)
HuckFinn Offline
#786 Posted:
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zitotczito wrote:
Way back when I had applied for a gun permit in MD and during my interview with the MD State Police, I was asked if I had ever used drugs of any kind. I replied that I had tried weed a few times. He looked at me in a surprised way and said very few people admit that. I responded that I was suppose to tell the truth was I not. He said thanks and approved my permit.

Reminds me of a story my father in law, may he rest in peace, used to like to tell bout how he got caught speeding and when the cop asked him if he knew he was was speeding he said yes. The cop said it was a first and let him go with a warning.
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#787 Posted:
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If Congress changes the POTUS indictment law then wouldn't every member of the supreme Court be a get out of jail free card.. if they do their job correctly that is... Mellow

It cheapens 'Kavanaugh by saying that.. you're saying it's the only reason he got nominated.. the man is qualified.. Mellow
HuckFinn Offline
#788 Posted:
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Experts disagree. Circumstances matter. And no one is above the law. Not even the potus.
There's a lot of info and opinion out there but only one thing is clear: it's unclear.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/05/presidential-indictment/560957/
Speyside Offline
#789 Posted:
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Can't believe there are still arguments about Kavanaugh.

1) There is no creditable evidence that he committed any sexual misconduct.

2) It is highly unlikely the FBI will find creditable evidence that he committed any sexual misconduct.

3) During the course of their investigation there is a higher liklihood that they will find creditable evidence that he purjured himself in front of congress.

4) If he did not picture himself in front of Congress he should be confirmed.

5) If he purjured himself it front of Congress his nomination should be withdrawn and he should face criminal charges.
delta1 Offline
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MACS wrote:
^I understand that. The guy has worked on the highest appeals courts for awhile, and surely is qualified. An allegation that would get thrown out of civil court (based on the evidence presented) should not deter his confirmation, IMO.

Admit it. If he was a liberal and nominated by a democrat, the dems would be screaming bloody fkn murder if the repubs held up a confirmation based on this flimsy ass bullshiite.

Think about it reasonably for a damn second. The 4 people she said would corroborate have all failed to do so. Why is she more believable than he is? And after 36 years... this all boils down to he said/she said. There will be ZERO evidence presented after an investigation.




I would hope not, but I don't think Dems are motivated by any higher angels than Reps. My own personal opinion is that if any lib nominee performed as Judge Kavanaugh did throughout the confirmation process, from the very first day being evasive, squabbling over little things, refusing to answer many questions and to release documents of his work during a critical time of his working career, while ignoring the point of a question, obviously lying about details that are evident, being disrespectful and contemptuous of a process that however imperfect is what we have to screen SCOTUS candidates, expressing open hostility and contempt for the GOP/cons which betrays a deep partisanship ...setting aside any of the acts alleged by Dr. Ford...I would urge that the nomination of a lib be withdrawn. And you know, most cons would feel the same way about a lib candidate if he/she behaved that way.

I believe that the President in power has the authority to nominate anyone he believes is qualified to sit on the bench of SCOTUS. He is entitled to select someone who shares many of his values and beliefs, so when we have a GOP President, we should expect that he would nominate someone with conservative values. I would guess that there are many other candidates on the list who share credentials of Judge Kavanaugh, but who would have superior temperament and character.

There is a danger when a President nominates a deeply partisan political operative. Not sure if a Dem President would do that...I recall from past processes a desire to find a more moderate qualified candidate to try to narrow the partisan divide.
DrafterX Offline
#791 Posted:
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So this woman destroys his reputation in front of God and family and he's not allowed to be pissed off.. I guess we need heartless Bassards on the supreme Court.. Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#792 Posted:
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do people believe that she made up the entire story?
DrafterX Offline
#793 Posted:
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It was most likely a fantasy... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#794 Posted:
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If ya said she fantasized about Frankie Tripod, that would be understandable

not this Special K guy..
DrafterX Offline
#795 Posted:
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Laugh
zitotczito Offline
#796 Posted:
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I believe that she believes the story. I would be interested in seeing the DR.'s notes from the therapist but she/attorney's won't turn them over for review. I remember Judge Kavanaugh being asked what he was hiding but Dr. Ford was not and her Attorney's are refusing to release documents.

And another question I have is why did she not know that the staffers were willing to go to CA, but from what I understand she was not even in CA but Delaware at the time. She is afraid of flying but flies everywhere.

The thing that really bothers me on this is she was 15 years old, why was she at the alleged party to begin with (no chaperone) and how did she get there and get home. She said she ran from the house, did she call someone to pick her up right away or walk home. Where were her parents in all this, I mean she was 15 years old, I would never let my 15 year old daughter go anywhere with out knowing where she was and who she was with. Now she could have lied to her parents about where she was going but she got there somehow if the parent did not actually take her, who took her and why did her parents not check on her whereabouts. Also from what I have read her parents are not supporting her publicly for personal reasons.


Now I believe that she believes that something happened and I feel that something did, but it wasn't Judge Kavanaugh. This whole things smells and when the real truth comes out it will be explosive.
tailgater Offline
#797 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
do people believe that she made up the entire story?


I haven't heard anyone say that she made this up from scratch. I certainly don't.

But the partisan divide on this has amazing powers.
So many on her side believe that her testimony was proof positive. The smoking gun, albeit just verbal testimony.

I've seen it, and I see a woman who was coached.
Demure child-like mumbling, to a suddenly stoic "100%" answer?
But it's one line in particular: "I thought he was going to accidentally kill me".

If she feared for her life, it wasn't because she thought he would "accidentally" do it.
People don't think like that in times of duress.
But they do use words like that when coached.


So, something happened. Kavanaugh likely was involved in an overly aggressive advance. To extrapolate that out to he would have raped her or accidentally kill her is speculation, and weak speculation at that.

If it's my daughter I might have a "conversation" with him and that conversation might result in some blood loss from his nose.
But it's not enough to be labeled a sexual predator. Not from anything I've seen or read.

This is an extreme over reaction by the #metoo crowd.

FBI?
To determine what? If it happened exactly as Ford claims it really isn't a punishable crime. And it's not a crime for anyone to misremember events from 36 years ago. On either side.
The best the democrats could hope for was a plethora of other victims coming out in the wake of these allegations. So far the only ones I've seen have been proven to be bogus.


rfenst Offline
#798 Posted:
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Last night, Saturday Night Live went nutz on Kavanaugh. Anyone else see it?
rfenst Offline
#799 Posted:
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zitotczito wrote:
I replied that I had tried weed a few times.


No way, man.
HuckFinn Offline
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tailgater wrote:
I haven't heard anyone say that she made this up from scratch. I certainly don't.

But the partisan divide on this has amazing powers.
So many on her side believe that her testimony was proof positive. The smoking gun, albeit just verbal testimony.

I've seen it, and I see a woman who was coached.
Demure child-like mumbling, to a suddenly stoic "100%" answer?
But it's one line in particular: "I thought he was going to accidentally kill me".

If she feared for her life, it wasn't because she thought he would "accidentally" do it.
People don't think like that in times of duress.
But they do use words like that when coached.


So, something happened. Kavanaugh likely was involved in an overly aggressive advance. To extrapolate that out to he would have raped her or accidentally kill her is speculation, and weak speculation at that.

If it's my daughter I might have a "conversation" with him and that conversation might result in some blood loss from his nose.
But it's not enough to be labeled a sexual predator. Not from anything I've seen or read.

This is an extreme over reaction by the #metoo crowd.

FBI?
To determine what? If it happened exactly as Ford claims it really isn't a punishable crime. And it's not a crime for anyone to misremember events from 36 years ago. On either side.
The best the democrats could hope for was a plethora of other victims coming out in the wake of these allegations. So far the only ones I've seen have been proven to be bogus.



She was very believable. And deserves her chance to relate an event that she claims changed the course of her life.
She has actually said that she's afraid to enter rooms with only one way in and out. This incident fkd her up. You cant give that to her? Ok, so it wasn't a a crime, maybe not even that big of a deal to most of us, but who determines what injustices deserve our attention even if they're not covered by some law? You?

And these days everything is partisan. Partisanship isn't especially amazing in this situation.
The fact that a few reps have moved to her 'side' is amazing.

I was also 'struck' by her comment "I thought he was going to accidentally kill me". She had been describing how drunk he was...and was afraid he might kill her. Seemed clear to me. That's hardly a thought. It's a survival instinct kicking in.


She personally, had nothing to gain by lying or even coming forward. There's no doubt that this public admission is embarrasing to her. Just look at her! Coached, eh?

Please.

Both sides were coached! And she still looked like a deer caught in the headlights.
And you can't fake that.

Kavanaugh has everything to gain by lying. And he's terrible at it. A terrible actor. She gains nothing by lying.

You're right. Even if it happened it's not a punishable crime. But it does go to his character.
He shouldn't be a scotus. Find another candidate.

Maybe one who hasn't written and stated publically that a sitting potus can't be indicted.

Did you know that McConnell pleaded with Trump to NOT select Kavanaugh because of the volume of documents he wrote in his 12 years on the U.S. Court of Appeals. He knew Kavanaugh would not get confirmed easily because of his roles as White House staff secretary under W. and assistant to Ken Starr investigating Clinton.

McConnell wanted Judges Raymond M. Kethledge and Thomas M. Hardiman as they presented the fewest obvious obstacles. Dems wouldn't have a post to hitch their ponies...

BUT Kavanaugh was the only one who was most likely a get out of jail free card for Trump.

Trump.

So we have a week off/FBI investigation.
If they learn he did the deed folks like you won't care. Because it's not a crime.

But does he deserve the Job? No! **** him.
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