Brewha wrote:Yes, I am certain that you (we) have obligations to others and our environment.
Give you a precise list and don’t make blanket statements about a persons obligations in life? Really?
Victor, the matter of our obligations as people is even less simple then you think. And there is no level of detail, no exhaustive list, or thoroughly tested bit of reason that would suffice; you are an admitted misanthrope with dishonorable values and pants that are way too short (ok, I guessed about the pants). You have already dismissed core values common to all people (it’s people I talking about here), so having me providing you further example or comparing notes would have no meaning.
I might as well try to convince Richard Dawkins to love Jesus, or Hitler to wear a yamaka, or ****** Clark to host the 2014 New Years Eve Bash. Face it Victor, you are not looking for reason – you are looking for a benevolent thought that you can devour like Mama Cass on a ham samich.
BTW; caring is the precursor to humanities greatest actions. Without its’ spark the home fires would not burn.
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Ok. Since you're not willing to quantify anything at all, which I take to mean you really haven't thought through the entire argument, let me do a little work for you.
I'm not having children.
This means I'm not having the average 2 kids (in the US, mileage may vary in other countries), and they are not having the average 2 kids each, etc etc.
This means that within the span of 50 years, I have already voluntarily removed the generation of waste and consumption of resources of 6 WESTERN people (important to emphasize, as we consume more here than pretty much anywhere).
That's 6 people's worth of gas consumption (lifetime) saved.
That's the clean water consumption of 6 people. Saved.
That's the energy consumption, air conditioning, beef consumption. Saved.
I've already done more for the rest of the people on this planet than 99% of the population, simply by not breeding.
But that's not enough for you? I'm supposed to also say I care? I have a news flash for you... I WON'T BE THERE. Do you care if the fat guy in a room is gonna fart after you've left? no. In fact,if you're particularly devious you may feed him burritos before you leave. (hey drafter, want a burrito?)
I don't know what your obsession with "caring" is. It doesn't actually accomplish anything.