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Brewha Offline
#51 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
So, you want to re-write the Constitution..?? Huh

You mean like an Amendment?

Like the 2nd one - just for example....
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#52 Posted:
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Brewha..!! Laugh
Brewha Offline
#53 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I'm with Gene.

The only way to fight evil is with courage and vigilance.

You mean like the courage to restrict needlessly dangerous weapons - and the vigilance to enforce the laws???


We are talking about ‘Merca, right?
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#54 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
From a gun? No.

Well i respect the flag... and you crap on it when you don't fire your gun in the office... (i just watched "the other guys" again... i find that movie stupidly hilarious)

https://youtu.be/948-2Vzgi3w
Brewha Offline
#55 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Brewha..!! Laugh

Woot Yo, yo home boy!

ZRX1200 Offline
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https://www.mrctv.org/blog/no-there-have-not-been-18-school-shootings-2018

We have laws......we have gun control....and we have lying sacks of excrement....and we have criminals and insane people. By all means disarm and restrict law biding citizens and their ability to defend themselves and their family. The police are only 5 min away and they write a mean report.
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I heard that if the news stopped covering mass shootings than they would stop happening because these nuts are only copy cats.

So...If we stop having news articles about illegal immigrants than we won’t need to pay for a wall.



And if we don’t cover Trump and take away his tweets he won’t look so stupid.
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#58 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
https://www.mrctv.org/blog/no-there-have-not-been-18-school-shootings-2018

We have laws......we have gun control....and we have lying sacks of excrement....and we have criminals and insane people. By all means disarm and restrict law biding citizens and their ability to defend themselves and their family. The police are only 5 min away and they write a mean report.

Yeah, I mean why were none of the student armed???? Or the Teachers????

OUT RAGE!
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#59 Posted:
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The reporting is an opportunity to not waste a tragedy and have news organizations repeat lies like Everytown.

I'll chip in for the wall, crap I carried hod one summer for a mason I could probably help build it.
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If the teachers want to be and are trained they should be.

The soft targets need hardened, the fact that gun grabbers won't talk about THAT shows their dishonesty in caring about kids safety.
banderl Offline
#61 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
I heard that if the news stopped covering mass shootings than they would stop happening because these nuts are only copy cats.

So...If we stop having news articles about illegal immigrants than we won’t need to pay for a wall.



And if we don’t cover Trump and take away his tweets he won’t look so stupid.



You're like some kind of stable genius, Brew.
Gene363 Offline
#62 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
I heard that if the news stopped covering mass shootings than they would stop happening because these nuts are only copy cats.

So...If we stop having news articles about illegal immigrants than we won’t need to pay for a wall.



And if we don’t cover Trump and take away his tweets he won’t look so stupid.


So you believe illegal immigrants are the equivalent of deranged mass murders.
banderl Offline
#63 Posted:
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banderl wrote:
You're like some kind of stable genius, Brew.

DrafterX Offline
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Just an attempt to tie Trump to the mass murders... After all, this never happened before Trump was elected... Mellow
Brewha Offline
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Gene363 wrote:
So you believe illegal immigrants are the equivalent of deranged mass murders.

What, you don’t believe the POTUS???
delta1 Offline
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He did say "The Carnage ends NOW!"
Brewha Offline
#67 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Just an attempt to tie Trump to the mass murders... After all, this never happened before Trump was elected... Mellow

Drafter, Trump lied and people died.

Have you no heart?
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I don't see murderers being deterred by what weapons they have available. He could have done just as much carnage with a pistol and multiple clips. If there were no pistols he could have done just as much carnage with home made pipe bombs.

Find a solution, don't focus on a band aid. That being said I have no clue to what the solution is. I think it might start with finding out if there is a pattern to the reason the shooters snapped.
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Brewha wrote:
What, you don’t believe the POTUS???


Your comprehension is as good as your logic.
Brewha Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
If the teachers want to be and are trained they should be.

The soft targets need hardened, the fact that gun grabbers won't talk about THAT shows their dishonesty in caring about kids safety.

Really, what kind of teacher goes to class without a hog leg to protect the childrens? Why that is almost as bad as letting your kid go to school without a Glock. Shameful!

Here in North Texas, two 16 year olds got arrested for carrying pistols in school. Can you believe that? How are they supposed to protect themselves if some one wants their milk money?
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Gene363 wrote:
Your comprehension is as good as your logic.

One must speak at the level of ones audience.
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Brew, there's been teachers here in Oregon FIRED for carrying even though it's not illegal for them to do so. Guess who didn't fight for them, the teachers union!
Brewha Offline
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Speyside wrote:
I don't see murderers being deterred by what weapons they have available. He could have done just as much carnage with a pistol and multiple clips. If there were no pistols he could have done just as much carnage with home made pipe bombs.

Find a solution, don't focus on a band aid. That being said I have no clue to what the solution is. I think it might start with finding out if there is a pattern to the reason the shooters snapped.

You are conveniently ignoring the relative danger and availability of different types of weapons.

Now some folks would tell you a knife is as dangerous as a gun because both kill. Some will tell you they need a assault rifle with a bump-stock and 60 round clips - along with smoke grenadines - for “protection”. And others still will point out that law don’t stop crimes - so we just don’t need them.

And this, my culinary friend, is why checkers sell so much better than chess.....
Brewha Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Brew, there's been teachers here in Oregon FIRED for carrying even though it's not illegal for them to do so. Guess who didn't fight for them, the teachers union!

Sorry Z - I was just on a rant.

Truth is I don’t think fire arms in a grade school are......a good idea.
JMO.
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#75 Posted:
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Oh I think they are too, problem is bad guys are bringing them and not good guys.

Danger of availability? You're more likely to be killed by a hammer, lightning or a bee sting.....but get on with with your bad self.
DrafterX Offline
#76 Posted:
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Brewha, are you afraid the kids are gonna take the firearm from the guard or what..?? Huh
Speyside Offline
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You miss my point I think Brew. I'm fine with taking assault rifles out of the equation. Bump stocks too. But a murderer is going to murder. Let's figure out why they became a murderer and try to fix that. Eradicating the desease is much better than limiting the symptoms of the disease.
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Speyside wrote:
You miss my point I think Brew. I'm fine with taking assault rifles out of the equation. Bump stocks too. But a murderer is going to murder. Let's figure out why they became a murderer and try to fix that. Eradicating the desease is much better than limiting the symptoms of the disease.

money for mental health has been one of the first and deepest cuts when budgets get trimmed.
why are people wondering why we have these problems?
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Buckwheat wrote:
And where is the money to do all of this going to come from?

In regards to my previous comment regarding mental health and the insurance companies, you ask where is the money going to come from?

Remember this. The United States invented the health insurance racket. During the 1920s, individual hospitals began offering services to individuals on a pre-paid basis, eventually leading to the development of Blue Cross organizations in the 1930s. The first employer-sponsored hospitalization plan was created by teachers in Dallas, Texas in 1929.

Before 1973 it was illegal in the US to profit off of health care. The Health Maintenance Organization Act of 1973 passed by Nixon changed everything. Other countries do have private, for-profit insurance companies operating in their health care sector, and there are some indications that this sector is growing. But the business, legal and regulatory environment in which they operate is quite different than it is in the United States. The US is the only Country on the planet that allows health insurance companies to operate and profit to extreme we experience and pay. today.

Ask again where the money is supposed to come from? I suggest asking the insurance companies, not the guberment. It is NOT the guberment's responsibility to provide health care. Health care costs increased an average of 2% last year. Meanwhile health insurance premiums increased over an average of 23%. But mental health services are very limited and often not covered at all, along with the meds often prescribed. As I said before, health insurance companies often dictate to Doctors and Psychiatrists on what meds they can prescribe based on the deals they have with big pharma, NOT on what's best for the patient.
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teedubbya wrote:
If you are referring to my comments I don't care if you compare them. I say address them both. Put resources in to both.

Just don't use one to distract from the other or suggest one is somehow glorified or over publicized (which I don't think you did TG). We just had a 17 year old senior die in a single vehicle accident 2 weeks ago. Its been huge news and is horrible.

I really don't see the intent for imputing one issue in to a discussion on the other. Either or both are horrific and I don't find them very similar other than they both include death. The auto accident one seems to have more accessible or viable/visible solutions that I'm not sure translate to school shootings.


The analogies are used because they involve senseless deaths.
With the shooting we hear that some people want to ban law abiding citizens from exercising one of their current freedoms. And the reason is that somebody else might abuse something. (YOU can't own an AR-15 because some wacko might use one to kill kids).

We could use this same logic to say that YOU can't own a large vehicle capable of going fast, because somebody else might use it to plow into a crowd. Or YOU can't buy a glass of wine, because somebody else will abuse it and cause a crash.

It's a sound analogy. Another person is irresponsible and causes death, so YOU have to relinquish your freedoms.
The thing about analogies is that the two things are never exactly alike. The analogy is what pulls them together, it shows the comparison.
People claim that an analogy is wrong. that it's "apples and oranges". But that's often because it disproves their argument, not because it's not relevant.

I agree with you. Address them both.
But I'm tired of people being so cavalier with freedoms after a heart wrenching tragedy.

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teedubbya wrote:
I take 4 magazines with my pistol to the range. Each holds 17 rounds plus one in the chamber. I can empty them very quickly, and change them very quickly. You do the math. I could also carry many more if I chose. Granted it's not as accurate at distance but it's plenty accurate.

I don't know what the answers are. But I'm not sure the AR is the villain. Someone walking down the street with an ar would get my attention. I'd never see the pistol.

I hate not knowing what I think the solution is.


This is practically verbatim to what I've stated recently.
Except I don't own any guns.
And I thought a typical magazine held only 15.
and I can't hit a target at 10 feet with a pistol.
Frank as my witness.


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delta1 wrote:
America has become a country where we love our guns more than our kids...that will not change until more, many more, kids get killed by guns.


And the award for the most cynical post of the year goes to...
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Sounds like we have to make a choice... Our guns or Pelosi... Think
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Buckwheat wrote:
Firearms with a large magazine of ammunition that were designed and configured for rapid fire and combat use.

Keep in mind I had an ArmaLite AR-15 and still have several pistols that I regularly shoot.

I think that something needs to be done besides sending "Thoughts and Prayers". I'm in favor of a similar law as this one. fog



Ban them?


No. Not only no, but F#CK NO!


This nation was carved out by the end of a gun by the average citizen. What keeps our enemies from popping over any time they want to take what we have? The fear of most of the crazy ass rednecks with their arsenals. When this nation needed it the citizens were there with their firearms. Don't go all candyass with your freedoms now. If you do, then perhaps the whole Freedom thing isn't for you and China would love to have you as a citizen as soon as you complete your re-education.

Want to stop this mess? Start with the same penal mentality as Ft. Leavenworth. LIFE...making big rocks into little rocks. No tv, no dayrooms, no weight rooms and if it were up to me they'd be eating MRE's and sleeping on the ground! As for the latest little waste of human air...the home he was living with...they thought it was all right for this mental midget to bring a gun into their house? You can just look at the POS and tell he's a ticking time bomb, but by all means do anything and everything you can to trample on personal freedoms of law abiding people.

I can't wait for the next high level discussion. What will most of you be proposing to take away or give up? You want to start with guns now, well once that happens anyone and everyone can take away EVERYTHING you have.

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#85 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:

and I can't hit a target at 10 feet with a pistol.
Frank as my witness.



it was pretty funny, the two of us shooting pistols at each other from 10 paces, neither received as much as a flesh wound
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OhMyGod
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Ban them?


No. Not only no, but F#CK NO!


This nation was carved out by the end of a gun by the average citizen. What keeps our enemies from popping over any time they want to take what we have? The fear of most of the crazy ass rednecks with their arsenals. When this nation needed it the citizens were there with their firearms. Don't go all candyass with your freedoms now. If you do, then perhaps the whole Freedom thing isn't for you and China would love to have you as a citizen as soon as you complete your re-education.

Want to stop this mess? Start with the same penal mentality as Ft. Leavenworth. LIFE...making big rocks into little rocks. No tv, no dayrooms, no weight rooms and if it were up to me they'd be eating MRE's and sleeping on the ground! As for the latest little waste of human air...the home he was living with...they thought it was all right for this mental midget to bring a gun into their house? You can just look at the POS and tell he's a ticking time bomb, but by all means do anything and everything you can to trample on personal freedoms of law abiding people.

I can't wait for the next high level discussion. What will most of you be proposing to take away or give up? You want to start with guns now, well once that happens anyone and everyone can take away EVERYTHING you have.



I have been seeing suggestions of Ban this, Ban that since I have been a member here. Never have I seen you post your thoughts on "Gun Ban." I have been waiting and waiting. It is good to see that you are not naive. Also I will have to admit you are a better man than I. I was thinking how going back to public hanging
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Doc, taking away guns/liberties is in American. Also it wouldn't solve the problem. I have yet to read anything that makes me think we even understand the problem. What made him this way is the problem. Guns are just a symptom so to speak. Chris, how about public beheadings? Much more interesting than a hanging.
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In most of these cases you’d be hanging or cutting a corpse. This one is a rare exception. I’m not sure how preventative that is.
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Don't worry

This argument will solve itself

3d printing will make untraceable home manufacture at the fingertips of anyone interested
Brewha Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Brewha, are you afraid the kids are gonna take the firearm from the guard or what..?? Huh

Placeing our children under armed guard because we the people let any one have almost any kind of weapon shows just how effed up our American society is.

You know the Australians have this figured out....
Brewha Offline
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Speyside wrote:
You miss my point I think Brew. I'm fine with taking assault rifles out of the equation. Bump stocks too. But a murderer is going to murder. Let's figure out why they became a murderer and try to fix that. Eradicating the desease is much better than limiting the symptoms of the disease.

In light of doing away with national heath care that seems like a dim hope. Besides, limiting the amount of fire power people have easy access to is reasonable to most every country in the world - except us.
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I'm just surprised that we even have those dangerous "assualt" rifles, I mean before the year 2000 we didn't allow weapons in America hell when I was growing up in Texas my small town didn't even know what a gun was.... I mean they just sprang up out of nowhere in the last few years and started killing people.... Maybe we should look at what changed in society and stop blaming a tool.
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paulkeck wrote:
I'm just surprised that we even have those dangerous "assualt" rifles, I mean before the year 2000 we didn't allow weapons in America hell when I was growing up in Texas my small town didn't even know what a gun was.... I mean they just sprang up out of nowhere in the last few years and started killing people.... Maybe we should look at what changed in society and stop blaming a tool.

Actually, there are lot of tools that should take the blame.

No, I don’t means guns.....
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Lol my point is we used to have a gun pretty much in arms reach where ever you were, friends house....preachers house hell 15 trucks in the parking lot but we didn't go mass shooting people. There has been a change in times and morality that's the issue... Not the guns
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paulkeck wrote:
Lol my point is we used to have a gun pretty much in arms reach where ever you were, friends house....preachers house hell 15 trucks in the parking lot but we didn't go mass shooting people. There has been a change in times and morality that's the issue... Not the guns

Where this is a village of people looking out for each other we are all safer. You guys would not have given the antisocial kid a shot gun, much less real fire power.

But today, even the most disturbed people have access to awesome fire power - and lots of it - by private sales. Or if they are just young and clean in the eyes of the law we will sell them all they can buy.

The reason they lock the door to the roof of a high rise is they don’t want stupid people doing stupid things. Yet some here would cry that their precious right to go on a roof top is damaged.

So it goes....
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Australia doesn't make your point very well.. Mellow
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At very least this tragedy seems to have opened up a better nation-wide dialogue.

Because there are so many variables that contribute to the school shootings like easy gun access, bullying, drugs, mental illness, copycatting, violent video games, lack of parental supervision etc, rather than single out one, I'd approach a solution by FIRST listening to what kids have to say. That would be my #1 priority.

And while I realize it's not financially feasible (now) it's logical to have every kid tested, and required to sit across from a shrink on a regular basis.
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Kids would be a good start but it's not just kids... OKC, Vegas, Orlando just to name a few... Mellow
HuckFinn Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Kids would be a good start but it's not just kids... OKC, Vegas, Orlando just to name a few... Mellow

A good start would be a good thing, right?

Besides, kids are more malleable than crusty old mean people.
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