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teedubbya Offline
#401 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 5:15 PM EST
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I'm mildly aroused
DrafterX Offline
#402 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 5:22 PM EST
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So you gotta own a gun to oppose the 2nd appendage..?? Huh
delta1 Offline
#403 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 5:23 PM EST
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I'm severely nonplussed...
HuckFinn Offline
#404 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 5:31 PM EST
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Second Amendment was designed to prevent the fed from disarming state militias and replacing them with a fed army. It's irrelevant today.

I'm not concerned about a neo-fascist takeover.

Trump probably wet dreams about it but it ain't happening.

To me it's simple math: fewer guns fewer shootings.
DrafterX Offline
#405 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 5:41 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:


To me it's the single-minded math: fewer guns fewer shootings.



Mellow
HuckFinn Offline
#406 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 5:48 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Mellow

No guns, no shootings.
tailgater Offline
#407 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 5:51 PM EST
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I thought I was clear.
Regarding the monkey pictures I said "but truth be told if not for YOU I'd never even know about them. (well, maybe some others from this board. but no where else. ever."


And you follow up with a story about monkey pictures.
Posted.....HERE.

What do you do for an encore?
DrafterX Offline
#408 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 5:51 PM EST
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If you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns... Mellow
paulkeck Offline
#409 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 5:52 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Buzz off azzhole.

Yes Maam....I mean does that really work in your world?
paulkeck Offline
#410 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 5:56 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Second Amendment was designed to prevent the fed from disarming state militias and replacing them with a fed army. It's irrelevant today.

I'm not concerned about a neo-fascist takeover.

Trump probably wet dreams about it but it ain't happening.

To me it's simple math: fewer guns fewer shootings.

Funny how you left out... the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms
HuckFinn Offline
#411 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 6:02 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I thought I was clear.
Regarding the monkey pictures I said "but truth be told if not for YOU I'd never even know about them. (well, maybe some others from this board. but no where else. ever."


And you follow up with a story about monkey pictures.
Posted.....HERE.

What do you do for an encore?




Plays the organ grinder?
victor809 Offline
#412 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 6:13 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I thought I was clear.
Regarding the monkey pictures I said "but truth be told if not for YOU I'd never even know about them. (well, maybe some others from this board. but no where else. ever."


And you follow up with a story about monkey pictures.
Posted.....HERE.

What do you do for an encore?





It's like you don't want to do any work yourself. Fine, I misunderstood you, thought you were just referring to people complaining about obama being likened to a monkey as being the only thing you saw. But fine... if you're too lazy to google yourself I'll do it for you.

http://www.defshepherd.com/2012/10/racism-is-alive-and-well-35-incredibly.html
- an easy list of a number of racist memes which have popped up

http://www.winonadailynews.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/winona-county-board-candidate-posts-photo-comparing-obama-to-monkey/article_8a93b53c-0939-596c-91dc-8ddbf14ce444.html
- A Winona county board candidate

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37985967
- a reference to michelle obama as an ape

http://www.complex.com/life/2016/11/colorado-professor-doctor-calls-michelle-obama-monkey-face-with-poor-ebonic-english-keeps-job
- a reference to michelle obama as a monkey face... it's ok, though this one was in Colorado... to be expected

https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/02/politics/kentucky-republican-facebook-posts/index.html
- Kentucky GOP senate candidate

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/16/russia-obama-banana-racism-debate
- The russians even... but to be fair we're finding out they probably created all the others too....

How did you manage to go through 8 years without seeing this?

RMAN4443 Offline
#413 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 6:14 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Second Amendment was designed to prevent the fed from disarming state militias and replacing them with a fed army. It's irrelevant today.

I'm not concerned about a neo-fascist takeover.

Trump probably wet dreams about it but it ain't happening.

To me it's simple math: fewer guns fewer shootings.

Fewer fingers fewer shootingsNot talking
DrafterX Offline
#414 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 6:36 PM EST
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Could always use a bump-stock... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#415 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 6:40 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
If you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns... Mellow

Wait, who wants to takes guns away from cops??? Huh
DrafterX Offline
#416 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 6:41 PM EST
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That Huck guy... Not talking
Brewha Offline
#417 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 6:42 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Plays the organ grinder?

Well played, sir.
Brewha Offline
#418 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 6:44 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
That Huck guy... Not talking

Wow - you didn’t say Hillary.

You feelin’ ok Bro?
delta1 Offline
#419 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 7:14 PM EST
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Drafters fine...he was sitting at the mall watching fat chicks while eating a basket of chiken fingers and thinking about putting his fingers in their butts...
Brewha Offline
#420 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 7:17 PM EST
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No, Drafter was prolly eating the chicken and thinking about getting a Frito Pie for desert.

Could be he got some bad chicken - it happen you know....

We might need a wellness check.
banderl Offline
#421 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 7:18 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Drafters fine...he was sitting at the mall watching fat chicks while eating a basket of chiken fingers and thinking about putting his fingers in their butts...



If one of those fat chicks was named Hillary would Drafter do her?
Or would he let her do him?
delta1 Offline
#422 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 7:20 PM EST
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OhMyGod
DrafterX Offline
#423 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 7:20 PM EST
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No way man... Not talking
paulkeck Offline
#424 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 7:23 PM EST
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Awwww huckleberry!!!! Did you find you a safety pin and a safe place to hide in yet?
tailgater Offline
#425 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 9:31 PM EST
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Posts: 26,185
victor809 wrote:
It's like you don't want to do any work yourself. Fine, I misunderstood you, thought you were just referring to people complaining about obama being likened to a monkey as being the only thing you saw. But fine... if you're too lazy to google yourself I'll do it for you.

http://www.defshepherd.com/2012/10/racism-is-alive-and-well-35-incredibly.html
- an easy list of a number of racist memes which have popped up

http://www.winonadailynews.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/winona-county-board-candidate-posts-photo-comparing-obama-to-monkey/article_8a93b53c-0939-596c-91dc-8ddbf14ce444.html
- A Winona county board candidate

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37985967
- a reference to michelle obama as an ape

http://www.complex.com/life/2016/11/colorado-professor-doctor-calls-michelle-obama-monkey-face-with-poor-ebonic-english-keeps-job
- a reference to michelle obama as a monkey face... it's ok, though this one was in Colorado... to be expected

https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/02/politics/kentucky-republican-facebook-posts/index.html
- Kentucky GOP senate candidate

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/16/russia-obama-banana-racism-debate
- The russians even... but to be fair we're finding out they probably created all the others too....

How did you manage to go through 8 years without seeing this?



You do like to prove points that don't need proving.
I did not claim the pictures didn't exist.
As for "how I managed", the only website above that I would use without a specific google search is CNN. And I must have missed Monkey Face Monday back in 2016.
Sorry.
tailgater Offline
#426 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 9:32 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Wait, who wants to takes guns away from cops??? Huh


BLM claims the cops ARE outlaws.
tailgater Offline
#427 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 9:34 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Plays the organ grinder?


TW named his left hand "organ grinder".
frankj1 Offline
#428 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 9:38 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Could always use a bump-stock... Mellow

not any more
Brewha Offline
#429 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 9:39 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
BLM claims the cops ARE outlaws.


You are confusion “some cops” with “the cops”.

But we all know how conservatives wrestle with facts.....
frankj1 Offline
#430 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 9:40 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
I am mildly amused that there is likely a pretty big overlap in two groups: Those who claim the current administration is a neo-facist potentially devastating threat to American Democracy....and those eager to gut the 2nd amendment, which was largely designed to allow the populace to oppose such a threat

why are you challenging me to honestly think?
you just might be...Like A Genius.
tailgater Offline
#431 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 9:53 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
You are confusion “some cops” with “the cops”.

But we all know how conservatives wrestle with facts.....


"Some" of every group will be criminal, I'm sure.

BLM as a unified group make it their mission to disrespect all cops.




Brewha Offline
#432 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 10:07 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
"Some" of every group will be criminal, I'm sure.

BLM as a unified group make it their mission to disrespect all cops.





Speaking out, petitioning, event protesting for reform and change is a true American virtue.
(I’m talking about Americans here)

You should relish the discourse.
frankj1 Offline
#433 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 10:09 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
"Some" of every group will be criminal, I'm sure.

BLM as a unified group make it their mission to disrespect all cops.





we now know that the Russians also posted some BLM stuff.
Brewha Offline
#434 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 10:10 PM EST
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Maybe that was just jj.
frankj1 Offline
#435 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 10:16 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Maybe that was just jj.

he's Polish. They're too busy burying WWII
HuckFinn Offline
#436 Posted: Wed, Feb 21 2018, 10:26 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
TW named his left hand "organ grinder".


Ha!
DrafterX Offline
#437 Posted: Thu, Feb 22 2018, 7:39 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Speaking out, petitioning, event protesting for reform and change is a true American virtue.
(I’m talking about Americans here)

You should relish the discourse.



The City of Dallas may disagree... Mellow
paulkeck Offline
#438 Posted: Thu, Feb 22 2018, 8:04 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
You are confusion “some cops” with “the cops”.

But we all know how conservatives wrestle with facts.....


Same principle, we need to take the weapons out of all cops hands because there are some bad ones....makes sense right?

I mean that's what people want with AR15s right... ban them from all because of some of the bad
Brewha Offline
#439 Posted: Thu, Feb 22 2018, 8:52 AM EST
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paulkeck wrote:
Same principle, we need to take the weapons out of all cops hands because there are some bad ones....makes sense right?

I mean that's what people want with AR15s right... ban them from all because of some of the bad

I am impressed by how very, very cleanly and utterly you have missed the point. But such misdirection usually only works on the far right.


People want AR15's and related militarized toys off of the market because they are needlessly dangerous, not defensive weapons, and have no place in our society - with the exception of helping out the low T crowd.
DrafterX Offline
#440 Posted: Thu, Feb 22 2018, 9:14 AM EST
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Don't forget the 'In My Opinion'...
Mellow
paulkeck Offline
#441 Posted: Thu, Feb 22 2018, 9:36 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I am impressed by how very, very cleanly and utterly you have missed the point. But such misdirection usually only works on the far right.


People want AR15's and related militarized toys off of the market because they are needlessly dangerous, not defensive weapons, and have no place in our society - with the exception of helping out the low T crowd.


Well that post was filled with ignorance... congrats Applause Applause Applause
Speyside Offline
#442 Posted: Thu, Feb 22 2018, 9:48 AM EST
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Banning guns is a slippery slope. Any infringement on the constitution is. I would be fine with banning assault rifles. I would not be fine with what's next. Therefore I am not fine with banning assault rifles.
HuckFinn Offline
#443 Posted: Thu, Feb 22 2018, 9:51 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Don't forget the 'In My Opinion'...
Mellow

*In Drafters opinion
cacman Offline
#444 Posted: Thu, Feb 22 2018, 9:51 AM EST
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If they raise the minimum age to purchase a firearm, will that also mean they will raise the minimum age to join the military? An 18yr old can't buy a gun, but he can go to war? That makes sense.

If a teacher wants to complete the training to carry a concealed firearm, why shouldn't they be able to protect themselves in a school?

Wouldn't it be easier to eliminate gun-free zones and soft targets?

Guns are not the problem. Some of the mentally-ill and/or irresponsible people who own guns are the problem.
DrafterX Offline
#445 Posted: Thu, Feb 22 2018, 9:55 AM EST
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By definition the 10-22 would become an assault rifle... They won't stop at ARs...
But it'll never happen anyways... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#446 Posted: Thu, Feb 22 2018, 10:02 AM EST
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Carl, your last paragraph is makes all the sense in the world. A problem exists, I think we know what the problem is. Let's fix the problem.
paulkeck Offline
#447 Posted: Thu, Feb 22 2018, 10:05 AM EST
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Yes yes yes to the last 3 posts!!
HuckFinn Offline
#448 Posted: Thu, Feb 22 2018, 10:14 AM EST
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cacman wrote:
If they raise the minimum age to purchase a firearm, will that also mean they will raise the minimum age to join the military? An 18yr old can't buy a gun, but he can go to war? That makes sense.

If a teacher wants to complete the training to carry a concealed firearm, why shouldn't they be able to protect themselves in a school?

Wouldn't it be easier to eliminate gun-free zones and soft targets?

Guns are not the problem. Some of the mentally-ill and/or irresponsible people who own guns are the problem.

18yr old soldiers can go to war but can't drink until they're 21, even not smoke until 21 in 4, soon to be 5 states, right. Well, at least they can vote?

More guns in schools? What could possibly go wrong...

The easy accessibility of guns is obviously part of the problem.
Mentally ill people have always been a problem in societies. Mass shootings haven't.

If people want to shoot assault rifles they should rent and shoot them at shooting galleries only. Too big a sacrifice, eh?

Tell the parents of children slaughtered in any school shooting that Americans have a right to bear arms. Get that concensus.
paulkeck Offline
#449 Posted: Thu, Feb 22 2018, 10:21 AM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
18yr old soldiers can go to war but can't drink until they're 21, even not smoke until 21 in 4, soon to be 5 states.

More guns in schools? What could possibly go wrong...

The easy accessibility of guns is obviously part of the problem.
Mentally ill people have always been a problem in societies. Mass shootings haven't.

If people want to shoot assault rifles they should rent and shoot them at shooting galleries only. Too big a sacrifice, eh?

Tell the parents of children slaughtered in any school shooting that Americans have a right to bear arms. Get that concensus.


You do realize the AR15 has been around since the 60s right? Rent....I mean really? More guns at school, yep at least they would have a fighting chance. You go rent your guns and I will continue to own mine. But thanks for the offer.
dstieger Offline
#450 Posted: Thu, Feb 22 2018, 10:26 AM EST
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cacman wrote:
If they raise the minimum age to purchase a firearm, will that also mean they will raise the minimum age to join the military? An 18yr old can't buy a gun, but he can go to war? That makes sense.


That was a big argument against raising drinking age, also. In hindsight, it doesn't seem as strong a reason as it did at the time.

Speyside wrote:
Banning guns is a slippery slope. Any infringement on the constitution is. I would be fine with banning assault rifles. I would not be fine with what's next. Therefore I am not fine with banning assault rifles.


I understand the slope argument, but I don't believe that's a good enough reason not to do support something you agree with.

I've followed most of this thread...except the TG/Vic lovefest stuff, anyway....and I have read nothing to convince me that I shouldn't support some sort of legal action limiting access to assault weapons, if not an outright ban. I understand that it might be hard...that it wouldn't stop murders with guns....etc. I am a gun owner, a hunter; I've carried and used weapons as part of my occupation; I've had part in the responsibility for limiting access to weapons by people determined to be of less than sound mind -- I think that I have the ability and experience to see this from most sides --

What I can't understand is why we shouldn't seriously considering limits on civilian ownership of assault-style weapons, even those only available as semi-auto. I'm ok with trying to remove most (some?) Armalites, Bushmasters, and other such weapons from the equation, if possible. I'm not convinced that the recreational and defense value of these is enough to keep them around. They are toys, much more than they are tools. And as such, I won't oppose legal limitations on ownership.
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