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Speyside Offline
#301 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 9:33 PM EST
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Yeah, pretty much. Doesn't matter which parliament of whores is in charge.
HuckFinn Offline
#302 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 9:39 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Double post outrage! So what is it we decided? LOL.

I had to drop out of that conversation
Actually, I'm hiding under my desk
Speyside Offline
#303 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 10:17 PM EST
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If North Korea drops a nuke that won't help much.
HuckFinn Offline
#304 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 10:23 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
If North Korea drops a nuke that won't help much.

It's oak
tailgater Offline
#305 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 8:58 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Brewha, that still doesn't solve the underlying problem. Untreated mental illness. These are not actions of sane people. I am more interested in (not sure if this is the right phrase) criminally mentally ill people not being able to buy weapons. And all mentally ill people receiving treatment.


What about law abiding liberal gun owners?

With Trump in office they have all gone mental. Should they relinquish their weapons until the end of 2024?
teedubbya Offline
#306 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 9:04 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
What about law abiding liberal gun owners?

With Trump in office they have all gone mental. Should they relinquish their weapons until the end of 2024?



You are forgetting the group that have cashed in all sanity and reality to support the big orange T. That leaves only the two of us that can have guns.
tailgater Offline
#307 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 9:11 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
yep...he was trying to explain a perspective that most in the status quo have not experienced...a perspective gained from a way of life fundamentally different than what most in white America experience...a result from generations of discrimination that have produced ingrained institutional bias and strong feelings of animosity, distrust, resentment and fear on both sides...

it was a message that many white Americans did not want to hear...but may have been historically important because the momentum of equality and justice gained from the passage of the Civil Rights Act seemed to have stalled, especially in poor minority neighborhoods...wounds that were opened by the difficult economic conditions produced by the Great Recession...

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Obama was a truly great story teller. No doubt.
But as President the message should not have been that it's understandable how the black community behaves. How they react. Why they resent America.
It's what Obama DIDN'T say that led to his failure to unify the country.
He DIDN'T say that despite those feelings, people need to look forward. Although it's easy to blame the past, to blame how OTHER people look at you , you have to hold your head up high and show respect. For yourself and for others.
It's their right to complain.
It's their right to point out the injustice. Both real and perceived.
But when complaining becomes the only action, then it's just an annoying whine.

America elected a black man for our President.
And all he could do was sympathize.
tailgater Offline
#308 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 9:12 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
You are forgetting the group that have cashed in all sanity and reality to support the big orange T. That leaves only the two of us that can have guns.


So what are you saying?
No more sword fights?
Speyside Offline
#309 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 9:18 AM EST
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Um, I was talking about mentally ill, are you projecting your issues on others? I wasn't talking about sane gun owners, wasn't talking about limiting gun ownership, except to the potential criminally mentally it. Keep up the good work, though do try to catch up on the uptake. You are spoo slow sometimes.
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#310 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 9:39 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Um, I was talking about mentally ill, are you projecting your issues on others? I wasn't talking about sane gun owners, wasn't talking about limiting gun ownership, except to the potential criminally mentally it. Keep up the good work, though do try to catch up on the uptake. You are spoo slow sometimes.



I'm pretty sure there are laws keeping guns from the potential criminally mentally it. They work spoo slow sometimes!


Sometimes the shpo owners even deny sales and report the buyers...sometimes...just sometimes they do both!!!

Herfing
Speyside Offline
#311 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 10:30 AM EST
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Go bore someone else. Your additions to any thread are wasted space. In fact your breathing of air is a waste of air. To point out the obvious the existing laws need to be better unforced. But you are to dumb to understand that. What grade did you flunk out of school? Also that rapier wit of yours, could once in a while have an original come back/thought?
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#312 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 10:56 AM EST
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So that kid that shot up the school didn't break any laws..?? Huh
HuckFinn Offline
#313 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 3:11 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Obama was a truly great story teller. No doubt.
But as President the message should not have been that it's understandable how the black community behaves. How they react. Why they resent America.
It's what Obama DIDN'T say that led to his failure to unify the country.
He DIDN'T say that despite those feelings, people need to look forward. Although it's easy to blame the past, to blame how OTHER people look at you , you have to hold your head up high and show respect. For yourself and for others.
It's their right to complain.
It's their right to point out the injustice. Both real and perceived.
But when complaining becomes the only action, then it's just an annoying whine.

America elected a black man for our President.
And all he could do was sympathize.



'Pretty good storyteller' is the best platitude you could come up with before your unrelated and thoroughly horrible analysis?

Glenn Beck stated back in the day that Obama had “a deep-seated hatred for white people,” and Rush Limbaugh spewed a steady stream of invective on his radio show, from playing a song dubbed “Barack the Magic Negro” to claiming that Obama wanted Americans to get Ebola as payback for slavery. The most infamous birther, Donald Trump..oh, nm...

Obama, acknowledged that racism is deeply rooted in our culture but avoided addressing the plague of race (“I wouldn’t call myself a victim”) and instead highlighted the progress the country had made. For black Americans especially, that message was encouraging—but it obviously turned out to be shortsighted.

He insisted on celebrating advancements for African-Americans like him, but in so doing delayed what was festering: a revived siege of race hate that would sweep the country. Obama’s racial optimism/delusion perpetuated the falsehood that America had entered a post-racial era. And this prevented him from recognizing the enduring, worsening racism.
He openly criticized black violent demonstrators. And was made to pay for that by the black community and especially black activists.
It must also be that what Trump DOESN'T say worsens tensions, correct?
Or should Donald have said that white supremacists have to move on, show respect and hold their heads high?

Obama had no winning strategy because there was no winning strategy. He was doomed from the start.
Even when he openly shed a tear at a press conference after Sandy Hook Fox accused him of faking It!
Apparently he was incapable of compassion for white kids that were slaughtered, I guess?

Lessening racial tensions was, is and will probably always be an exercise in futility.
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#314 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 3:22 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
'Pretty good storyteller' is the best platitude you could come up with before your unrelated and thoroughly horrible analysis?

Glenn Beck stated back in the day that Obama had “a deep-seated hatred for white people,” and Rush Limbaugh spewed a steady stream of invective on his radio show, from playing a song dubbed “Barack the Magic Negro” to claiming that Obama wanted Americans to get Ebola as payback for slavery. The most infamous birther, Donald Trump..oh, nm...

Obama, acknowledged that racism is deeply rooted in our culture but avoided addressing the plague of race (“I wouldn’t call myself a victim”) and instead highlighted the progress the country has made. For black Americans especially, that message was encouraging—but it obviously turned out to be shortsighted.

He insisted on celebrating advancements for African-Americans like him, but in so doing delayed what was festering: a revived siege of race hate that would sweep the country. Obama’s racial optimism/delusion perpetuated the falsehood that America had entered a post-racial era. And this prevented him from recognizing the enduring, worsening racism.
He openly criticized black violent demonstrators. And was made to pay for that by the black community and especially black activists.
It must also be that what Trump DOESN'T say worsens tensions, correct?
Or should Donald have said that white supremacists have to move on, show respect and hold their heads high?

Obama had no winning strategy because there was no winning strategy. He was doomed from the start.
Even when he openly shed a tear at a press conference after Sandy Hook Fox accused him of faking It!
Apparently he was incapable of compassion for white kids that we're slaughtered, I guess?

Lessening racial tensions was, is and will probably always be an exercise in futility.




Yeah, AL Sharpton, Jessica Jackson, Louis Farakhan, BarackObama, all great defenders of race relations
HuckFinn Offline
#315 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 3:28 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Yeah, AL Sharpton, Jessica Jackson, Louis Farakhan, BarackObama, all great defenders of race relations

What, in your opinion, do they want?
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#316 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 3:31 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
What, in your opinion, do they want?

I don't know, but you seem to think you do....what was Sharpton trying to accomplish with the Twana Brawley incident????
HuckFinn Offline
#317 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 3:34 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
I don't know, but you seem to think you do....what was Sharpton trying to accomplish with the Twana Brawley incident????

I distrust all extremists.

Obama doesn't fit in to that category imo
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#318 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 3:47 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
I distrust all extremists.

Obama doesn't fit in to that category imo


What was Obama trying to accomplish by sticking his nose into the arrest of the Harvard professor who had no ID, and was resisting arrest after being caught breaking into a house ???
Obama had no real knowledge of the incident, or an understanding of the charges, other than it was a black man, yet in a presser he was quoted as saying the Boston police acted stupidly
HuckFinn Offline
#319 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 3:59 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
What was Obama trying to accomplish by sticking his nose into the arrest of the Harvard professor who had no ID, and was resisting arrest after being caught breaking into a house ???
Obama had no real knowledge of the incident, or an understanding of the charges, other than it was a black man, yet in a presser he was quoted as saying the Boston police acted stupidly

You mean the Harvard professor who, when he arrived home and found his door barred by intruders who were inside his house and then caused a scene?
Hmm..I would have been pretty upset too. So would you I think.
He was arrested for disorderly conduct at his own home.
Btw, it was a friend, yes, a black man, of Baracks.
teedubbya Offline
#320 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 4:05 PM EST
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turns out he was right. the harvard professor acted stupidly as well, at least according to all the investigations and reports that followed.

i
paulkeck Offline
#321 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 4:20 PM EST
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Can't we all just get along!
RMAN4443 Offline
#322 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 4:21 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
You mean the Harvard professor who, when he arrived home and found his door barred by intruders who were inside his house and then caused a scene?
Hmm..I would have been pretty upset too. So would you I think.
He was arrested for disorderly conduct at his own home.
Btw, it was a friend, yes, a black man, of Baracks.

He and a friend got to his house and Gates had no keys, the 2 men tried to get in by breaking the door...
A neighbor called police and reported a break in on progress...police showed up and he had no id and refused to answer questions posed by police...police arrested him until they could sort things out...had he answered questions the situation never would have escalated

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Louis_Gates_arrest_controversy
MACS Offline
#323 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 4:22 PM EST
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Oooops.
HuckFinn Offline
#324 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 4:27 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
He and a friend got to his house and Gates had no keys, the 2 men tried to get in by breaking the door...
A neighbor called police and reported a break in on progress...police showed up and he had no id and refused to answer questions posed by police...police arrested him until they could sort things out...had he answered questions the situation never would have escalated

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Louis_Gates_arrest_controversy




So Obama was defending a friend that was arrested for overreacting.
What's your point?
HuckFinn Offline
#325 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 4:28 PM EST
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If that friend had been white would we be having this conversation?
RMAN4443 Offline
#326 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 4:33 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
If that friend had been white would we be having this conversation?

If Obama had said the police acted stupidly, probably.....but then I would have to admit that maybe he was trying to improve race relations
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#327 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 4:34 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
If Obama had said the police acted stupidly, probably.....but then I would have to admit that maybe he was trying to improve race relations

Funny..
paulkeck Offline
#328 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 4:36 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
If that friend had been white would we be having this conversation?


That is what wrong with America today...let's be real, white people are so embarresed to be white they say stupid sh1t like that. Fact is stupid ass white people get arrested for the same sh1t stupid ass black people get arrested for. Hell I shouldn't care because I'm not even white but damn...
dstieger Offline
#329 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 4:38 PM EST
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Huck! Never would have guessed anyone one here could make me miss Fuzz.

I'm sure it will pass, but wow, sorta
HuckFinn Offline
#330 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 4:42 PM EST
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paulkeck wrote:
That is what wrong with America today...let's be real, white people are so embarresed to be white they say stupid sh1t like that. Fact is stupid ass white people get arrested for the same sh1t stupid ass black people get arrested for. Hell I shouldn't care because I'm not even white but damn...

Whoa. I'm not embarrassed. I was trying to understand what rmann was really saying.
I wondered if he was saying it was a racially motivated in HIS mind.
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#331 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 4:43 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Huck! Never would have guessed anyone one here could make me miss Fuzz.

I'm sure it will pass, but wow, sorta

What's Fuzz?
*Probably shouldn't be asking that eh?
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#332 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 4:44 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
He and a friend got to his house and Gates had no keys, the 2 men tried to get in by breaking the door...
A neighbor called police and reported a break in on progress...police showed up and he had no id and refused to answer questions posed by police...police arrested him until they could sort things out...had he answered questions the situation never would have escalated

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Louis_Gates_arrest_controversy





I don't think it was quite that simple. How many people do you know who have been arrested for not answering police questions at the doorstep of their own home?

Being belligerent to the police is not under the worst situations really an arrestable offense.
Being belligerent on your own front porch is really unlikely to get you arrested.

Both the officer and gates had two different records of the events. In the officer's record, he was the nicest gentleman and gates was loud, yelling about being a black man in america, and generally "belligerent". In gates's relation of the story, he was calm and collected, and the police officer was dismissive, refused to answer questions.... etc etc.

I would assume both accounts are inaccurate.

However, both accounts show gates provided evidence that this was his house.

The police officer came to the house because of a break in being reported. Sufficient evidence was provided that he knew there was no break in. There therefore was no need to arrest anyone, other than to show off the size of his d##k, because something said between him and gates pissed him off. That sounds stupid to me.
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#333 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 4:46 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I don't think it was quite that simple. How many people do you know who have been arrested for not answering police questions at the doorstep of their own home?

Being belligerent to the police is not under the worst situations really an arrestable offense.
Being belligerent on your own front porch is really unlikely to get you arrested.

Both the officer and gates had two different records of the events. In the officer's record, he was the nicest gentleman and gates was loud, yelling about being a black man in america, and generally "belligerent". In gates's relation of the story, he was calm and collected, and the police officer was dismissive, refused to answer questions.... etc etc.

I would assume both accounts are inaccurate.

However, both accounts show gates provided evidence that this was his house.

The police officer came to the house because of a break in being reported. Sufficient evidence was provided that he knew there was no break in. There therefore was no need to arrest anyone, other than to show off the size of his d##k, because something said between him and gates pissed him off. That sounds stupid to me.


Exactly what evidence was given? Just curious
victor809 Offline
#334 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 4:52 PM EST
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Harvard ID pops up in both accounts.
Gates account also specifies drivers license.

In the officer's account he "told Gates that he was leaving his residence and that if Gates wanted to continue discussing the matter, he would speak to him outside"... so the officer was satisfied with the ID provided and was done with the break in investigation.

Sounds like additionally, the officer never provided his own ID to Gates (in both accounts, Gates asked the officer for his ID.. and in both accounts there is no indication the officer provided his own Identification... of course, both accounts make it sound different, but the important part is he did not provide ID.

I thing "acted stupidly" is a pretty apt description of the officer. Not necessarily initially malicious, but when faced with a citizen who may have been acting belligerent, he let his emotion get the best of him and arrested the guy instead of being a professional, providing his ID, then leaving... no matter how much the black man was yelling at him.
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#335 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 4:56 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Harvard ID pops up in both accounts.
Gates account also specifies drivers license.

In the officer's account he "told Gates that he was leaving his residence and that if Gates wanted to continue discussing the matter, he would speak to him outside"... so the officer was satisfied with the ID provided and was done with the break in investigation.

Sounds like additionally, the officer never provided his own ID to Gates (in both accounts, Gates asked the officer for his ID.. and in both accounts there is no indication the officer provided his own Identification... of course, both accounts make it sound different, but the important part is he did not provide ID.

I thing "acted stupidly" is a pretty apt description of the officer. Not necessarily initially malicious, but when faced with a citizen who may have been acting belligerent, he let his emotion get the best of him and arrested the guy instead of being a professional, providing his ID, then leaving... no matter how much the black man was yelling at him.


If the dl was given he did what he was asked. As far as the Harvard id, that means nothing
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#336 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 5:07 PM EST
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paulkeck wrote:
If the dl was given he did what he was asked. As far as the Harvard id, that means nothing


I would tend to agree. Read the police report, the officer was satisfied with the harvard ID apparently.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/henry-louis-gates-jr-police-report?page=1

If you read the second page, even the officer's account sounds simply like an officer not being willing to be yelled at in front of witnesses. And yeah, it sucks to be yelled at in front of people... but that's not really an offense worthy of arresting a person.

If the officer had chosen to simply leave the property, the yelling would have stopped and there would no longer be a "disturbing the peace" situation. The way it reads is a "my d$$k is bigger than yours" situation. I don't even know if this was really initially a racial situation from the police's stance initially. The police responded to a call... that's not something they can ignore. When they showed up, they needed sufficient ID to satisfy them and leave. They got that. Whether the problems between gates and the officer were started by gates, or by the officer, we'll never know. But they would have ended if the officer just left. He wanted the last word though, so he arrested the guy.
teedubbya Offline
#337 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 5:27 PM EST
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There are reports that cane out the following June or July that faulted them both.
DrafterX Offline
#338 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 5:29 PM EST
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If Obama had a professor he would look like Obama... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#339 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 5:32 PM EST
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testiclewubber wrote:
There are reports that cane out the following June or July that faulted them both.


That seems like a likely scenario.

But there apparently is a group that got really upset any time obama didn't give them exactly as much attention as he gave the blacks.

Honestly, this group acted for about 8 years like the first child when a sibling was born. Any time the parents paid the slightest amount of attention to the new sibling they cried and yelled saying it wasn't fair, they deserved a toy too!...
DrafterX Offline
#340 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 5:55 PM EST
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What group was that...?? Or are you saying it would be cool if there really was a group that did that..?? Huh
tailgater Offline
#341 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 6:43 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
'Pretty good storyteller' is the best platitude you could come up with before your unrelated and thoroughly horrible analysis?

Glenn Beck stated back in the day that Obama had “a deep-seated hatred for white people,” and Rush Limbaugh spewed a steady stream of invective on his radio show, from playing a song dubbed “Barack the Magic Negro” to claiming that Obama wanted Americans to get Ebola as payback for slavery. The most infamous birther, Donald Trump..oh, nm...

Obama, acknowledged that racism is deeply rooted in our culture but avoided addressing the plague of race (“I wouldn’t call myself a victim”) and instead highlighted the progress the country had made. For black Americans especially, that message was encouraging—but it obviously turned out to be shortsighted.

He insisted on celebrating advancements for African-Americans like him, but in so doing delayed what was festering: a revived siege of race hate that would sweep the country. Obama’s racial optimism/delusion perpetuated the falsehood that America had entered a post-racial era. And this prevented him from recognizing the enduring, worsening racism.
He openly criticized black violent demonstrators. And was made to pay for that by the black community and especially black activists.
It must also be that what Trump DOESN'T say worsens tensions, correct?
Or should Donald have said that white supremacists have to move on, show respect and hold their heads high?

Obama had no winning strategy because there was no winning strategy. He was doomed from the start.
Even when he openly shed a tear at a press conference after Sandy Hook Fox accused him of faking It!
Apparently he was incapable of compassion for white kids that were slaughtered, I guess?

Lessening racial tensions was, is and will probably always be an exercise in futility.


You make a lot of excuses for our former President.

But at least he "meant well".

The fact that race relations got worse during his 8 years isn't his fault.
because it's futile.

Do you even listen to yourself?
tailgater Offline
#342 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 6:47 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
You mean the Harvard professor who, when he arrived home and found his door barred by intruders who were inside his house and then caused a scene?
Hmm..I would have been pretty upset too. So would you I think.
He was arrested for disorderly conduct at his own home.
Btw, it was a friend, yes, a black man, of Baracks.


Is that your story?
Because it's wrong.

Professor Gates simply forgot his key. So he had to break in during the wee hours of the morning. And when a neighbor called the po po Gates got all uppity and started acting out.
He WANTED to get arrested to make his point.

Barred by intruders?
Are you confusing this with a different story?
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#343 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 6:50 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Is that your story?
Because it's wrong.

Professor Gates simply forgot his key. So he had to break in during the wee hours of the morning. And when a neighbor called the po po Gates got all uppity and started acting out.
He WANTED to get arrested to make his point.

Barred by intruders?
Are you confusing this with a different story?




I misspoke. I thought Gates and his driver believed there were intruders in his house.
I was wrong.
tailgater Offline
#344 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 6:51 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I don't think it was quite that simple. How many people do you know who have been arrested for not answering police questions at the doorstep of their own home?

Being belligerent to the police is not under the worst situations really an arrestable offense.
Being belligerent on your own front porch is really unlikely to get you arrested.

Both the officer and gates had two different records of the events. In the officer's record, he was the nicest gentleman and gates was loud, yelling about being a black man in america, and generally "belligerent". In gates's relation of the story, he was calm and collected, and the police officer was dismissive, refused to answer questions.... etc etc.

I would assume both accounts are inaccurate.

However, both accounts show gates provided evidence that this was his house.

The police officer came to the house because of a break in being reported. Sufficient evidence was provided that he knew there was no break in. There therefore was no need to arrest anyone, other than to show off the size of his d##k, because something said between him and gates pissed him off. That sounds stupid to me.


Gates deserved to be brought in.

When the police show up, late at night, because they think someone is breaking into your home, then they are there to protect you. to protect your home. Possibly at considerable risk to their own well being.

When a mix up occurs, you THANK them.
Profusely.

If you get up in their face, then you deserve to sleep in cell block #9 for the night.
HuckFinn Offline
#345 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 6:51 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You make a lot of excuses for our former President.

But at least he "meant well".

The fact that race relations got worse during his 8 years isn't his fault.
because it's futile.

Do you even listen to yourself?


If he couldn't do it, it can't be done.
Or maybe you're more qualified?
tailgater Offline
#346 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 6:52 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
I misspoke. I thought Gates and his driver believed there were intruders in his house.
I was wrong.


And I jumped the gun a bit.
Should've kept reading.

Carry on.
tailgater Offline
#347 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 6:58 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
If he couldn't do it, it can't be done.
Or maybe you're more qualified?


Race relations got worse.

Even if I give you the hopeless "it can't be done, woe is me" argument, it shouldn't get worse.

Lead by example.

Demand more, not less from people.

Expect responsibility.

Stop rewarding complacency.



I can't help but to remember this one:
During a big speech by Obama (I think a SOTU?) he congratulated himself and the democrats for success.
The barometer?
MORE people were on food stamps!

You can't make this schit up.
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#348 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 7:13 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Race relations got worse.

Even if I give you the hopeless "it can't be done, woe is me" argument, it shouldn't get worse.

Lead by example.

Demand more, not less from people.

Expect responsibility.

Stop rewarding complacency.



I can't help but to remember this one:
During a big speech by Obama (I think a SOTU?) he congratulated himself and the democrats for success.
The barometer?
MORE people were on food stamps!

You can't make this schit up.



The moment he, a black man was elected the racial sparks started to fly.

To my way of thinking he did lead by example. He was good family man, a clear compassionate thinker and leader, he was dignified, smart and he left the office without a single seedy scandal.

Do you demand more of people? More of Trump? Does Trump take responsibility for anything that goes wrong on his Rolex? Ever? You admire the example he's setting for the next generation?

Please, don't preach about high standards and ignore what's clear.

Trump has been voted the 5th worst president of all time. Even by conservative polls.
Barack, 5th best.
Speyside Offline
#349 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 7:13 PM EST
Joined: 03-16-2015
Posts: 13,106
So less people were starving to death?
DrafterX Offline
#350 Posted: Tue, Feb 20 2018, 7:28 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,555
Remember when Obama promised to pay for people in da ghetto's mortgage then never did... Mellow
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