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MACS Offline
#301 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Or a long list of bad arguments isn't worth the time to address.
I mean... #10 could be a fun argument for the other side... "I believe he tried raping her because he's conservative"....
Once you start making these arguments you lose credibility and I become bored. If Frank wants to engage with you on them he can... Or you can just declare victory and dance around...

Basically if that's the level you want to play at I don't find it constructive to have that conversation. It just gives stupidity a voice.


Sure... focus on the last 2... which were thrown in for **** and grins. Don't focus on the actual problems with her allegations.
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#302 Posted:
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On a related matter, a class action lawsuit has been filed for the repeated sexual assault- which has been captured on multiple video tapes, that have been shared with America.

It's all downhill from me for that French pervert.

Good luck getting another job, Mr. Pepe LePew.
MACS Offline
#303 Posted:
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8trackdisco wrote:
On a related matter, a class action lawsuit has been filed for the repeated sexual assault- which has been captured on multiple video tapes, that have been shared with America.

It's all downhill from me for that French pervert.

Good luck getting another job, Mr. Pepe LePew.


Signed, Bugs Bunny?
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#304 Posted:
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It's a list MACS. If I ignored them you would have said "but what about..." You include them and they taint the rest of your argument. If you wanted me to take #'s 1-3 seriously you shouldn't have put them with the other arguments.
MACS Offline
#305 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
It's a list MACS. If I ignored them you would have said "but what about..." You include them and they taint the rest of your argument. If you wanted me to take #'s 1-3 seriously you shouldn't have put them with the other arguments.


Said the guy with no argument... or you'd have stated it.

Thanks for playing, though.

Does it suck losing all the time? Remember when you were telling me, just a few posts ago, how I lost an argument with you? Please... find it and show the class.
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#306 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Signed, Bugs Bunny?


I didn't mention the ethnicity or the gender of the harassed cat.

She's serious about testifying.... 'cept Monday. She's enraged, but busy on Monday.
victor809 Offline
#307 Posted:
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You already did in this thread. I pointed it out at one time.
Like I said, feel free to declare victory on this one. I'm not giving your stupid list the effort to answer it, because it will give the ridiculous ideas more credit than they deserve.

That's just life...

There was an article I was reading a few days ago about whether it was more destructive to pretend that some people actually have arguments worth addressing... I believe the focus was over bill nyes debate with the ark moron, and whether that was ultimately more destructive be giving that guy an opportunity to place his idiotic ideas next to actual science. The proximity makes his arguments seem more credible because they are being juxtaposed to real science.

Anyway... It's a valid idea that this may be bad. So when things get dumb I'm out.
MACS Offline
#308 Posted:
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I accept your concession. Loser.

LOL

victor809 wrote:
I'm not giving your stupid list the effort to answer it, because it will give the ridiculous ideas more credit than they deserve.

There was an article I was reading a few days ago about whether it was more destructive to pretend that some people actually have arguments worth addressing...


This is exactly how I feel about Ford's accusations. So, now... how do you respond to that? You just said it was stupid to respond to stupidity... I submit to you, an allegation that's 36 years old, with absolutely NO fkn way to substantiate it.
MACS Offline
#309 Posted:
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Pretty sure that's game, set, and match.

And since Victor has already conceded... I will now take a victory bow. You can feel free to have a long drink from this cup of STFU. Beer
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#310 Posted:
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There is a difference between an idea and an accusation. You should know this, since you are in enforcement.

If one of your prisoners tries to convince you the world is flat, I'm pretty sure you don't have to engage him in debate and pretend his idea has the same merit as a mostly spherical shape.
However, if a prisoner tells you a guard is raping him in the laundry room, it sure as hell would be questionable to not look into this, even if it came up when that guard was going to be promoted.

But it's fine. You don't want to investigate this. You firmly believe that as long as sufficient time has passed that it's hard to prove one way or another we should just assume that the accused didn't do it and give them whatever political posting they are up for. Additionally you believe that someone of a different political party is less trustworthy when accusing someone of something.

This sh&t really is priceless. I feel like we need to bookmark this thread for some future discussion.
MACS Offline
#311 Posted:
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Oh... you're back? With more non-sequiturs? I was pretty sure from your previous posts you'd conceded defeat.

My bad.

Allow me to entertain your non-sequitur. If an inmate came to the jail and claimed s/he had been sexually assaulted by a guard 36 years ago... nothing would be done. Nothing. Assuming the guard was not retired, there would be no way to prove or disprove the allegations, so the report would be filed for information only, and NO investigation would be intitiated.

NONE.

Doubt me? Go to a jail and ask that question. I will pay you $100 if you get a different answer in writing.
MACS Offline
#312 Posted:
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Either you're a hell of a lot dumber than you think you are... or you're purposely making my point for me.

I dunno which. I'm leaning toward the former.
victor809 Offline
#313 Posted:
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I am honestly surprised that a complaint of sexual assault in a prison doesn't get investigated.

That's not good in my mind.....
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#314 Posted:
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It's amazing to me that some think this hasn't been investigated... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#315 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
There is a difference between an idea and an accusation. You should know this, since you are in enforcement.

If one of your prisoners tries to convince you the world is flat, I'm pretty sure you don't have to engage him in debate and pretend his idea has the same merit as a mostly spherical shape.
However, if a prisoner tells you a guard is raping him in the laundry room, it sure as hell would be questionable to not look into this, even if it came up when that guard was going to be promoted.

But it's fine. You don't want to investigate this. You firmly believe that as long as sufficient time has passed that it's hard to prove one way or another we should just assume that the accused didn't do it and give them whatever political posting they are up for. Additionally you believe that someone of a different political party is less trustworthy when accusing someone of something.

This sh&t really is priceless. I feel like we need to bookmark this thread for some future discussion.


When you say "one of your prisoners" it sounds like MACS has sex slaves in his basement.

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#316 Posted:
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HuckFinn wrote:
Maybe you're right.
Maybe he should get a medal!

Just curious, would you be this forgiving if it was your daughter?

And also, as you can't put yourself in her shoes and feel what she's feeling, shut up!!!

Besides, her shoe doesn't comes in a size 12.
I looked for a friend.


You are a warped and broken little man.

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Another person claimed by Christine Blasey Ford to have attended a gathering decades ago during which, Ford claims, she was sexually assaulted by Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh has denied any recollection of having attended the party.

In an email to the Senate Judiciary Committee on Saturday, Leland Ingham Keyser, a former classmate of Ford's at the Holton-Arms all-girls school in Maryland, said she doesn’t know Kavanaugh or remember being at the party with him.

“Simply put, Ms. Keyser does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with, or without, Dr. Ford,” lawyer Howard J. Walsh III of Bethesda, Md., conveyed in an email to the committee that was obtained by Fox News.


Keyser’s denial brings to four the number of witnesses, including Kavanaugh, who’ve all said they have no memory of the party or the incident.


“One week ago, Dr. Christine Ford claimed she was assaulted at a house party attended by four others. Since then, all four of these individuals have provided statements to the Senate Judiciary Committee denying any knowledge of the incident or even having attended such a party.”



sounds like someones been investigating to me... Think
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#318 Posted:
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Lots of cold cases get solved after decades of collecting dust. Someone steps forward, a piece of new evidence, a confession.

But let's face it, this is just another my-side vs your-side thing. Ethics, what's true doesn't really matter.

If you make false statements to the FBI it's a federal crime. Jail time.
But Ford WANTS the FBI involved. Meaningless?
Kavanaugh and Judge don't. Also, irrelevant? (She already passed a lie detector test, right?)



So it's a D conspiracy, eh? Pure and simple? A fabrication. A delaying tactic. Not likely but not impossible I guess..


From Wikipedia:
After the death of Scalia, Republican Senate leaders announced that they planned to hold no vote on any potential nomination during the president's last year in office.
Senate Democrats responded that there was sufficient time to vote on a nominee before the election
Garland's nomination expired on January 3, 2017.
The nomination remained before the Senate for 293 days, the longest nomination process in the history of Supreme Court nominations.

With the failure of Garland's nomination, President Donald Trump, a Republican, successfully nominated Neil Gorsuch in 2017.

No politics there though.

The D's, Ford, had to beg for 3 days.

Btw, if garland had been confirmed it would have been the first time since the 70's that the D's had a majority in the court.
Also irrelevant?

Sides. It's all about sides. More than I ever remember. Battle Royale.
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#319 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
I accept your concession. Loser.

LOL



This is exactly how I feel about Ford's accusations. So, now... how do you respond to that? You just said it was stupid to respond to stupidity... I submit to you, an allegation that's 36 years old, with absolutely NO fkn way to substantiate it.


Checkmate.
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#320 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Another person claimed by Christine Blasey Ford to have attended a gathering decades ago during which, Ford claims, she was sexually assaulted by Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh has denied any recollection of having attended the party.

In an email to the Senate Judiciary Committee on Saturday, Leland Ingham Keyser, a former classmate of Ford's at the Holton-Arms all-girls school in Maryland, said she doesn’t know Kavanaugh or remember being at the party with him.

“Simply put, Ms. Keyser does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with, or without, Dr. Ford,” lawyer Howard J. Walsh III of Bethesda, Md., conveyed in an email to the committee that was obtained by Fox News.


Keyser’s denial brings to four the number of witnesses, including Kavanaugh, who’ve all said they have no memory of the party or the incident.


“One week ago, Dr. Christine Ford claimed she was assaulted at a house party attended by four others. Since then, all four of these individuals have provided statements to the Senate Judiciary Committee denying any knowledge of the incident or even having attended such a party.”



sounds like someones been investigating to me... Think


Since when? I've read her account of what happened... None of it amounted to sexual assault...
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#321 Posted:
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i heard there were multiple gerbils involved too... Mellow
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#322 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
i heard there were multiple gerbils involved too... Mellow

Does Adam know?
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#323 Posted:
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there have been convictions of accused Nazi war criminals decades after the alleged crimes.

There have been rulings overturned decades after innocent people went to jail.

And there have been cases that withered by the roadside decades later too.

All seem worthy of the pursuit of truth and justice.
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The energizer bunny thread.....
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DrafterX Offline
#325 Posted:
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So this Rameriz broad isn't even sure it was 'Kavanaugh but threw the accusation out there anyway... Nice... Mellow
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#326 Posted:
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It's all like a play out of Harry Reed's book... Doesn't have to be true as long as it works... Mellow
dstieger Offline
#327 Posted:
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Interesting to me that there are so many women who either doubt that Kavanaugh sexually assaulted Ford, or are somewhat dismissive of the significance if, in fact, 'something' did happen.

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#328 Posted:
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Well any woman who has been the victim of a real sexual assault probably just rolls their eyes when they hear her story... You're fifteen,you've been drinking, you're at a party with zero adults... 2 seventeen year old boys have you pinned down on a bed with music blaring so that no one can hear what's going on... If you don't get raped its because those 17 year olds don't want to rape you... If they were feeling rapey, you'd be raped...

Oh you locked yourself in a bathroom to get away? Is it the one house bathroom in the world that has a dead bolt lock? Cuz if I'm 17 and I'm Trying to rape you and you run into a bathroom, that's fine, bathrooms can be super rapey too... Plus, now I've got you stuck in a corner... You just made the raping a whole lot easier on me... Of course at this point you gotta realize if me and my buddy don't rape you, it's because we didn't want to, not because you got away...
teedubbya Offline
#329 Posted:
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yall sure are in tune with what the wimmins are thinking.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#330 Posted:
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Oh got it.... This is like that proximity rule you've got... No vagina, no say...
dstieger Offline
#331 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
yall sure are in tune with what the wimmins are thinking.

Doesn't take ESP....pretty small percentage of the women I've ever encountered that aren't more than happy to tell you
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#332 Posted:
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LOL
DrafterX Offline
#333 Posted:
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The new story is better... during a game of truth or dare somebody stuck their junk in her face and she may have touched it.. it might have been 'kavanaugh but she's not sure... Nobody else at the party saw or heard about this happening..
And it becomes front page headlines.. Mellow
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#334 Posted:
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"She was unsure of Kavanaugh's role in the incident at first, but after six days of carefully assessing memories and consulting with her attorney, Ramirez told The New Yorker she felt confident enough in her recollections to say she remembers it was Kavanaugh who had exposed himself."

#nothowmemoryworks
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#335 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Well any woman who has been the victim of a real sexual assault probably just rolls their eyes when they hear her story... You're fifteen,you've been drinking, you're at a party with zero adults... 2 seventeen year old boys have you pinned down on a bed with music blaring so that no one can hear what's going on... If you don't get raped its because those 17 year olds don't want to rape you... If they were feeling rapey, you'd be raped...

Oh you locked yourself in a bathroom to get away? Is it the one house bathroom in the world that has a dead bolt lock? Cuz if I'm 17 and I'm Trying to rape you and you run into a bathroom, that's fine, bathrooms can be super rapey too... Plus, now I've got you stuck in a corner... You just made the raping a whole lot easier on me... Of course at this point you gotta realize if me and my buddy don't rape you, it's because we didn't want to, not because you got away...

If you'd be willing to submit these facts in an affidavit you'd be doing the nation a yuuuuge favor.
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#336 Posted:
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also from WaPo:

"Acknowledging that she had been drinking and that there are some gaps in her memory, the 53-year-old called on the FBI to investigate what happened"...say what?...maybe the FBI can help next time you're drunk and can't remember if something icky happened to you


and from NYT:

its reporters "interviewed several dozen people over the past week in an attempt to corroborate (Ramirez') story, and could find no one with firsthand knowledge"...somehow that didn't keep the New Yorker from printing it, or every other newspaper in the country from headlining it


And now, Avenatti's bringing out someone else with a story.

This country's political and media classes have lost their collective minds
victor809 Offline
#337 Posted:
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Give it time...
This really hasn't been in the media long.

I think the more interesting thing is that the republicans knew the second person was coming forward last week when they pushed to get everything done as quickly as possible.

That's kinda telling to me... Seems like they're trying to get him in before anything comes out that might blow up. This fits perfectly with what I want, which is a judgy mcrapeface (or supreme judgy mcrapeface I guess)... It would be a fitting legacy for this presidency and for our nation as a whole.

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#338 Posted:
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Or, or... They knew this coming story was complete crap and just another of likely many attempts by the dems to delay the nomination and they felt it better to ignore it...
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#339 Posted:
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That would imply they knew the details before the press did.
That would require that whoever brought it to the press brought it to the republicans first as a heads up.... Which completely shoots in the foot the idea this is an evil Dems plot to delay the nomination.

I'm not saying the Dems aren't trying to play a game here. Whether they are or not has nothing to do with whether kavanaugh is truly judge mcrapeface.... But it also looks like the republicans are playing an even more fun game of "dude he may actually be judgy mcrapeface... We should get him confirmed before anything else comes out"....

These really are the best games. We win either way.
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#340 Posted:
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Oooh... We could call him "judge rapey mcgamblingdebt supreme"

This could be the best 30 years ever.
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#341 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
That would imply they knew the details before the press did.
That would require that whoever brought it to the press brought it to the republicans first as a heads up.... Which completely shoots in the foot the idea this is an evil Dems plot to delay the nomination.

No, it just means they caught wind of it before it was printed, which, of course they did... And the woman coming forward isn't the evil plot by the dems... It's what they do with that story - like calling for an fbi investigation - that becomes a part of the evil plot...

If a d*ck slap to the face and a drunken wrestling match from 30 years ago are all anyone can come up with, I say good enough, vote him in...
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#342 Posted:
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Opel.... While I'm not particularly upset about a di¢k slap during drinking games, to minimize what the first woman is accusing them of as 'drunken wrestling match' is not smart.

It is described as a situation which had it gone slightly differently she would have ended up having nonconsensual sex with one or two guys. Seriously... How many times in your life have you been "wrestling around with a girl trying to hold your hand over her mouth" just for fun?
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#343 Posted:
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And "caught wind of it" would also require they know the full extent of the details. Maybe they did.... Maybe someone told them everything they knew. But neither of us know the extent of what they caught wind of.

Knowing there is a nothing burger coming out doesn't usually cause people to rush to get something done...
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#344 Posted:
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As I've stated before, what she perceived as a sexual assault was not sexual assault and to call it that is to minimize what real victims of sexual assault have suffered...
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#345 Posted:
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... and if she hadn't struggled more than she did it would have been nonconsensual sex...
So.... Attempted rape but not sexual assault? You good with that?
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#346 Posted:
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(again, I am not assuming guilt or innocence, this is based solely off the description of the accuser)
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#347 Posted:
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I don't think they were rushing to get him confirmed as much as trying to keep their schedule.. the confirmation has already been delayed.. which was the Resistance's goal ....
Mellow
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#348 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
... and if she hadn't struggled more than she did it would have been nonconsensual sex...
So.... Attempted rape but not sexual assault? You good with that?

Her own depiction of the events in question do not correspond with what you allege...

2 seventeen year old boys... Stumbling drunk... That's what she says... Somehow overcome her and get on top of her... But they're stumbling drunk...

And now she somehow overcomes them... Because... Movie needed more suspense here?

Seriously, if this was in theatres this is the point where I storm out and demand double my money back...

But on with the plot... She's one beer in, and scared to death so she runs out of there aaaaaaand... Straight to the cops? No... To the living room where others are gathered? No.... She attended the school of where to run when you're in a horror movie and since there were no abandoned sheds full of meat cleavers dangling from rusty chains, she found the one room in the house with a flimsy lock and a window not quite big enough to climb out of...

Of course, once the coast is clear, she... Can't remember... "Main character has amnesia" cliche...
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#349 Posted:
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Dude... You're all over the place here. First you are skeptical that she would be overpowered... Then you're skeptical when she escapes?
And you're questioning the judgement of a 15 year old girls choice of where to run? Don't they always run to the bathroom?

Your complaint is irrelevant anyway... Your statement was that it wasn't sexual assault, not that its implausible that it happened how she described. What she described sure sounds like attempted rape, whether all parties involved we're incompetent at rape or escape isn't really relevant to it being attempted.
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#350 Posted:
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We can call it something different if you want... Instead of attempted rape maybe an attempted kavanaughing?

"Attempted kavanaughing: being held down on a bed and groped while you are silenced with mouth covered by one incompetent drunk while another incompetent drunk watches until you manage to escape and don't run far enough away for opel to believe it is rape"
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