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opelmanta1900 Offline
#351 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Dude... You're all over the place here. First you are skeptical that she would be overpowered... Then you're skeptical when she escapes?
And you're questioning the judgement of a 15 year old girls choice of where to run? Don't they always run to the bathroom?

Your complaint is irrelevant anyway... Your statement was that it wasn't sexual assault, not that its implausible that it happened how she described. What she described sure sounds like attempted rape, whether all parties involved we're incompetent at rape or escape isn't really relevant to it being attempted.



To be certain, what is all over the place is this woman's story... The individual components of her story do not match up with one another... Even in Hollywood,this kind of suspension of reality is unheard of...
victor809 Offline
#352 Posted:
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Irrelevant. You said what she described wasn't sexual assault. Part of that does not require everything sound like you expect it to (not sure how many rapes you've been a part of, but I sure as hell don't know where someone runs after an attempted rape... Nor do I know just how drunk 2 17 year old boys need to be to not be able to overpower a 15 year old girl)

But if the story is a reasonably accurate representation of what happened (specifically in the room with kavanaugh) then it is attempted rape. I don't know if it's sexual assault or not... Not sure what the definition is)
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#353 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:

But if the story is a reasonably accurate representation of what happened (specifically in the room with kavanaugh) then it is attempted rape. I don't know if it's sexual assault or not... Not sure what the definition is)


I don't know the legal definition of attempted rape, but it seems to me that it would require knowing (or being pretty damn sure of) the intent of the 'aggressor'. Quite a leap from what I've heard/read.

I think you've got your terms mixed up...appears that way, anyway. I'd have thought that on the spectrum between "OK" and "Really fd up" that attempted rape would be on the right side of that scale from sexual assault
dstieger Offline
#354 Posted:
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I think someone going around grabbing strangers' crotches would be sexual assault without approaching any where near rape
victor809 Offline
#355 Posted:
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Yeah... That was kind of what I think I was trying to get at... That he blew past assault and was trying to forcibly f--k her... (Or that's what it was described as).

As for intention.... How many other intentions does one have when holding someone down on a bed while making sure they can't yell for help?

Again... We don't know if this actually happened this way, or if he was even there. I'm just discussing what the act described would be classified as... (And no .. I honestly don't know if there is an attempted rape classification legally)
victor809 Offline
#356 Posted:
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But we can call it "kavanaughing" from now on if it makes everyone more comfortable....
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#357 Posted:
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This is all bull****.. As if women don’t act like hoes when they get drunk at parties... and why was there no police reports filed for any of this??? Bunch of feminist garbage
DrafterX Offline
#358 Posted:
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Victor, you're assuming she's telling the truth... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#359 Posted:
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No I'm not. And I clearly state that I am not.
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#360 Posted:
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Dear Senator Feinstein:

I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak.

Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge.

Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and 4 others.

Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to yell for help.

Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state.

With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently kill me.

From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop."

At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other.

After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me.

Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home.

I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me.

I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6, I notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything.

I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will be in California after August 10th.

In confidence,

Christine Blasey
Speyside Offline
#361 Posted:
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I don't know what to think. I do know that 2 women have came forward with their stories. I do know cons are being pro Kavanaugh and libs are being no Kavanaugh. I think this should be about the truth. I don't know how you verify the truth from that long ago.
victor809 Offline
#362 Posted:
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You can't. But we can decide how close each party is to the truth...

Third accuser is expected to pop up within 48 hrs... Curious what this one will say
opelmanta1900 Offline
#363 Posted:
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Spoiler alert... It starts with "Brett Kavanaugh once cut a hole in the bottom of a popcorn bucket..."
opelmanta1900 Offline
#364 Posted:
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Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music.

Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed.


Kavanaugh's hand [ was] over my mouth.

From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop."

At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other.

I was able to run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me.

Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other persons at the house were talking with them.

I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#365 Posted:
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Above are the facts of the case as stated by the alleged victim, sans opinion or perceptions...

Serious question: if the events stated above -and just those events, not anything else you've heard of this case - 100% happened, and ALSO Brett Kavanaugh had no intention of sexually assaulting this girl, is he guilty of sexual assault?
victor809 Offline
#366 Posted:
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.... You left out the "tried to disrobe me" part.... Dunno why ...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#367 Posted:
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Cuz that's a statement of opinion... If she'd said "he unzipped my pants" or "unbuttoned my blouse" I would've included it...
victor809 Offline
#368 Posted:
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Not really a statement of opinion.

What actions do you think could possibly result in her having the opinion that they were trying to disrobe her and them thinking something else?
victor809 Offline
#369 Posted:
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To put it more simply... "Tried to disrobe me" does encompass a number of different potential actions (ie, undid zipper, pulled off tshirt etc) but I don't know of any actions which would be mistaken for disrobing which aren't actually disrobing....
Speyside Offline
#370 Posted:
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You also left out the pinned her down part. ?
opelmanta1900 Offline
#371 Posted:
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Could be a number of things... Tickling... Snapping her Bra... Giving her a wedgie... The list of immature actions that could've been misinterpreted as attempts to disrobe are nearly endless...
victor809 Offline
#372 Posted:
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Just because she did not state specifically which item of her clothing he tried to remove doesn't make the accusation that he tried to disrobe her an "opinion"...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#373 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
You also left out the pinned her down part. ?

Are you adding things that weren't originally there? Not seeing what you're talking about...
victor809 Offline
#374 Posted:
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....huh... That's... Just not accurate.
Sure... Some actions can be mistaken for others. However her use of the term "disrobe" doesn't actually have any more or less meaning than if she were specific. She could have said "tried taking my pants off" and you still would have used the excuse" maybe he was trying to give her a wedgie" as an excuse to call it an opinion.

So it's a non argument. You would use the same excuse whether she was specific or not.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#375 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Just because she did not state specifically which item of her clothing he tried to remove doesn't make the accusation that he tried to disrobe her an "opinion"...

If you claim to know what someone is trying to do, its an opinion... You can state what they've actually done, but to state that they were trying to accomplish something without citing actual actions taken is opinion at best...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#376 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
....huh... That's... Just not accurate.
Sure... Some actions can be mistaken for others. However her use of the term "disrobe" doesn't actually have any more or less meaning than if she were specific. She could have said "tried taking my pants off" and you still would have used the excuse" maybe he was trying to give her a wedgie" as an excuse to call it an opinion.

So it's a non argument. You would use the same excuse whether she was specific or not.

If she had said he tried taking her pants off by yanking down on them, by unzipping them, by fill in the blank, it's a statement of opinion supported by facts and it would be included... To claim to know what someone is thinking about doing is opinion...
victor809 Offline
#377 Posted:
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And how many non sexual actions are taken which can be mistaken for disrobing?

How many of them are even logically expected under the circumstances described?

..two drunk 17 year olds decided to force her into a room to snap her bra in private and we're totally going to let her go after?

... Two drunk 17 year olds decided to force her into a room to give her a wedgie and were totally planning on letting her go right after?

...two drunk 17 year olds decided to force her into a room to tickle her a little and were totally planning on letting her do right after?

Again... Not saying her story is truth... But if what she said was accurate then to nitpick whether or not they we're trying to disrobe her... You wouldn't buy those excuses from a kid....
opelmanta1900 Offline
#378 Posted:
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I am not nitpicking... I have simply stated that something that is not at least supported by the inclusion of at least one statement of fact cannot be included as fact...

My suspicion is that you've become hung up on this particular omission because you realize without its inclusion, there is no case for sexual assault...
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#379 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I am not nitpicking... I have simply stated that something that is not at least supported by the inclusion of at least one statement of fact cannot be included as fact...

My suspicion is that you've become hung up on this particular omission because you realize without its inclusion, there is no case for sexual assault...

none of what has been written in two threads here is a case for or against anything.
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opelmanta1900 Offline
#380 Posted:
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Y'aint supposed to sell cigars here... Just trades n stuff...
victor809 Offline
#381 Posted:
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No Opel... Judge saying "go for it" sounds pretty damn sexual assaulty as well...

Not to mention there are no other reasons that a 17year old (let alone 2) would force a girl into a bedroom...

Did you think they wanted to force her to play pictionary? Just needed to hold her down first?

Horseplay is usually done in public. You want to wrestle around with someone when drunk you don't change location to do so... Nothing about the "facts"* (and nothing is a fact here) doesn't sound sketchy as hell.
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#382 Posted:
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Ah yes, 98.2% here on the boards are Judge, jury & executioner. This gives hope to our daughters everywhere.
delta1 Offline
#383 Posted:
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if we raise them correctly and tell them to never be alone with a con, they'll be fine...
Speyside Offline
#384 Posted:
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Opel, I have read in multiple reports that he pinned her to the wall, or he pinned her down. Perhaps we read different sources? I also read the disrobe me part.
DrafterX Offline
#385 Posted:
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Reminds me of that chick that said that lacrosse team raped her.. I bet someone on the team held her mouth too... Mellow
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#386 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Reminds me of that chick that said that lacrosse team raped her.. I bet someone on the team held her mouth too... Mellow

Nice try, but perhaps you could actually answer the question.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#387 Posted:
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fiddler898 wrote:
Nice try, but perhaps you could actually answer the question.

What was the question...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#388 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Opel, I have read in multiple reports that he pinned her to the wall, or he pinned her down. Perhaps we read different sources? I also read the disrobe me part.

The original letter was posted in its entirety a few posts before the edited version... Your multiple sources must have spoken with the victim directly...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#389 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
if we raise them correctly and tell them to never be alone with a con, they'll be fine...

Because Anthony wiener was a _____...
fiddler898 Offline
#390 Posted:
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Redirect - redirect - redirect -
DrafterX Offline
#391 Posted:
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Here's what we do know.

According to various academic studies over the past 20 years, only 2-10% of rape accusations are fake (Prof Ford's lawyer says she believes this was attempted rape).

Two to 10% is too many, but it is not a big proportion of the total. Fake rape accusations get a lot of attention.

Both the Duke Lacrosse team case in 2006 and the alleged University of Virginia gang rape in 2014 were widely covered by the media. They were terrible miscarriages of justice - but they were not representative.

False rape accusations very rarely lead to convictions or wrongful jail time.

A useful article in Quartz by Sandra Newman points to research from the British Home Office showing that in the early 2000s, of the 216 cases that were classified as false allegations, only six led to an arrest.

Of those, only two had charges brought against them and those two were found to be false.



It does happen.... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#392 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Because Anthony wiener was a _____...


OK...this will clarify my attempt at humor...

we need to teach our daughters to avoid being alone with cigar smoking older male cons who post their opinions about women on an internet cigar selling political opinion forum...
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#393 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Here's what we do know.

According to various academic studies over the past 20 years, only 2-10% of rape accusations are fake (Prof Ford's lawyer says she believes this was attempted rape).

Two to 10% is too many, but it is not a big proportion of the total. Fake rape accusations get a lot of attention.

Both the Duke Lacrosse team case in 2006 and the alleged University of Virginia gang rape in 2014 were widely covered by the media. They were terrible miscarriages of justice - but they were not representative.

False rape accusations very rarely lead to convictions or wrongful jail time.

A useful article in Quartz by Sandra Newman points to research from the British Home Office showing that in the early 2000s, of the 216 cases that were classified as false allegations, only six led to an arrest.

Of those, only two had charges brought against them and those two were found to be false.



It does happen.... Mellow


but using those data, 90 to 98% of rape accusations are true...meaning probabilities overwhelmingly favor Ford's credibility...


and I'm sure studies would show that 100% of actual rapists deny they did it...Kavanaugh denies it...ergo...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#394 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
OK...this will clarify my attempt at humor...

we need to teach our daughters to avoid being alone with cigar smoking older male cons who post their opinions about women on an internet cigar selling political opinion forum...

oh **** ya we do... no disagreement here... thought you were referencing kavanaugh...
Speyside Offline
#395 Posted:
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Opel, you are right. The original does mention disrobing, but not pinning. I wonder if she said this later, or it is a false statement. I have read this on more than one news outlet. All liberal.
victor809 Offline
#396 Posted:
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She has spoken I believe to various people... It isn't like she's dead and that's the only statement we will ever get from her. I'm sure we'll get clarification on it.
DrafterX Offline
#397 Posted:
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I'm sure we will... Her card carrying Resistance lawyer has been coaching her well I'm sure... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#398 Posted:
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So you got the Resistance running around screaming millions of wimmens will die if 'kavanaugh gets confirmed.. then omg..!! He's gonna get confirmed..!!
What happens..?? A completely unsubstantiated accusation comes out and the whole Democratic party jumps on it as Truth.. there's no innocent till proven guilty here.. I guess we should be grateful 'kavanaugh doesn't play baseball...
Mellow
bgz Offline
#399 Posted:
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But Al said he's only got a 2 to 10 percent chance of being innocent, so we should probably just hang him now...

That's the internet way!
DrafterX Offline
#400 Posted:
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He's a cup 90% full kinda guy... I was just showing this wouldn't be the first time someone falsified a 'sexual assault' story... Mellow
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